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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 17 Dec 2017

    This is your annual reminder that economics was first called "the dismal science" by someone who didn't like what economists had to say... namely by Thomas Carlyle in 1849 calling for the return of slavery, which most economists of that time strongly opposed. (H/T Econlog.)

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      1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 17 Dec 2017

        Sorry for the retweet and rephrase, but I think some people thought from the original tweet that Thomas was the economist, rather than him being the person who objected to economics.

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      2. Ryan BOO!rana‏ @RyanKhurana 18 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Wasn’t it in response to Malthus’s prediction of overpopulation leading to stagnation in development that Carlyle coined the phrase?

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      3. Steve Reilly‏ @StevenReilly20 18 Dec 2017
        Replying to @RyanKhurana @ESYudkowsky

        No, that's often said, but it's wrong. p 677, halfway down the second column:https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000080778727;view=1up;seq=696 …

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      2. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 17 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I'm curious, what has changed? Modern economic practice seems fine with returning to as close to slavery as possible. Is this a theory/practice divide?

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      3. Russ Nelson‏ @russnelson 18 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wamyc @ESYudkowsky

        I'm curious what economists you think have that as a goal. All the economist I know are pretty sure that free markets will result in more freedom, not less.

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      4. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 18 Dec 2017
        Replying to @russnelson @ESYudkowsky

        I don't follow economic theorists. I just am looking at outcomes, and I don't think capitalism is giving more (freedom seems both vague and wrong) power to individual people.

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      5. Russ Nelson‏ @russnelson 18 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wamyc @ESYudkowsky

        Free market capitalism does. Crony capitalism doesn't. That's why you need to distinguish between the two. MUCH of what is criticized as "capitalism" is obviously crony capitalism.

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      6. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 19 Dec 2017
        Replying to @russnelson @ESYudkowsky

        The regulations that make capitalism less likely to slide into being there crony sort make capitalism less capitalistic. A well regulated market is better, but it is less of a free market.

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      7. Russ Nelson‏ @russnelson 19 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wamyc @ESYudkowsky

        Regulations are what create crony capitalism. Do you not see that they get turned against us?

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      8. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 19 Dec 2017
        Replying to @russnelson @ESYudkowsky

        Hmm, I'm inclined to broadly disagree. The way I see it wealth is gravitational and without rules tends to accumulate in small concentrated pockets. Regulations disrupt this natural corruption and allow it to circulate freely.

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      9. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 19 Dec 2017
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        Also, it seems patently obvious that since the majority of rich folks want reduction in regulations that that would be good for them and bad for the rest of us. That should at least be the starting point.

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      2. Franz Crapka  💀‏ @NekroZombie 17 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        That generic fallacy though

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      1. Soul Eater‏ @EaterofSoles 17 Dec 2017
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        And the connection between those two assertions?

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      2. Julie‏ @Julie3692 18 Dec 2017
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        We still don’t likecwhat economists have to say!

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      1. Russ Nelson‏ @russnelson 18 Dec 2017

        Economics is a social science. Not a hard science.

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      1. Alexander Davis‏ @ADeebus 17 Dec 2017
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        Huh. TIL

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