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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 15 Dec 2017

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    Today I learned that a large number of people cannot imagine any possible reason besides "I am too snooty" for why someone wouldn't want to talk to their rideshare driver. Wow.https://twitter.com/esyudkowsky/status/941857265841090560 …

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    Hey @Uber and @lyft, apparently there's a ton of people who really really really want a "no conversation please" option in the app settings, and would instantly switch away from your competitor if you added that feature first.
    10:46 PM - 15 Dec 2017
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      2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        It's reasonable to chat for a minute or two just so both social primates feel comfortable sharing the same enclosed space, and then for both to impose no more conversation than the other warmly desires.

        5 replies 0 retweets 26 likes
      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @primalpoly

        Not everyone is a standard social primate. I posted this after my Nth friend said they couldn't use @Uber/@lyft because it was too painful to talk to drivers or ask to not talk to drivers.

        8 replies 2 retweets 25 likes
      4. Shea Bigsby‏ @SheaBigs84 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly and

        Anxiety disorders, autism spectrum disorders, etc...

        0 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
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      2. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Maybe the real win would be to tag discussion preferences. I had a great chat about longevity biology and treatments with my driver this morning. Sheer luck we found shared interest.

        1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Olle Häggström‏ @OHaggstrom 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        I once seemed to hit it off really well with a cab driver, but it turned out that after the usual Sicilian moves 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 he was all into 5.-Nc6 and didn't care one bit about all the cool variations after 5.-a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 h6 10.Bh4 Qb6.

        4 replies 1 retweet 24 likes
      4. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @OHaggstrom @ESYudkowsky

        The somewhat uncertain length of the drive likely imposes a neat time limit. But I assume the driver has a temptation to manipulate it; presumably they should play black to balance it.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Babak Farhang‏ @farkf 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        It's a sad to see peeps (the patrons here) losing the basics of social skills.. such as the ability to comfortably end a friendly face-to-face chat. As we use our phones to build walls between ourselves and the real world, we become more and more inept outside our bubbles.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      3. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @farkf @ESYudkowsky

        Introversion isn't social ineptitude. Conversation shouldn't carry a mandatory expectation. I'm quite able to have a good conversation. I just don't always want or need one.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Babak Farhang‏ @farkf 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wamyc @ESYudkowsky

        I consider myself an introvert. And I can find some extroverts mildly annoying. But there's nothing mandatory about conversation. Guess I'm trying to say one shouldn't feel uncomfortable asserting that right. (Don't see New Yorkers complain much about this on the subway, for eg.)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. joshcryer‏ @joshcryer 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @farkf @wamyc @ESYudkowsky

        What's interesting is that we already have the tools to end conversations. 30 years ago you'd pull out a newspaper and say you need to catch up. Now you can make a myriad of excuses by pulling out a phone or tablet none of which would offend anyone or induce anxiety.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @joshcryer @farkf and

        most people communicate offense (either with body language or vocally) when i try to use my phone around them. and you should hear the things people say when i put my headphones back on after being forced to remove them.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 17 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Tipsycaek @joshcryer and

        I consistently cannot avoid conversations. Even when I am saving someone's computer systems from disaster they still want to talk talk talk. How do they get anything done? I don't need thanks I needed silence to work!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. River Fishing Heraclitus‏ @wamyc 17 Dec 2017
        Replying to @wamyc @Tipsycaek and

        And yes, I try to telegraph a desire for silence, but yes I am friendly and polite so if someone is talking to me, I reply.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Eric Falkenstein‏ @egfalken 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @ATabarrok

        and hair cutters...I judge my haircuts mainly on how quick and quiet they are...no offense, but I just want my hair cut

        1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
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      2. sovvinski‏ @Kapusta2365 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I think one can learn quite a lot from this kind of interaction, and it isn't that costly, at least during short drives. I don't really see the problem...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Kapusta2365 @ESYudkowsky

        The cost isn't static, but variable to the individual. If someone is introverted and has an anxiety disorder, the cost may be crippling. If someone is extroverted, they may leave the same conversation feeling energized.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. sovvinski‏ @Kapusta2365 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @AbstractMonkey9 @ESYudkowsky

        It would be interesting to see how often users benefit from this kind of interaction and how often it discomforts them. Option in app doesn't mean completely revising social convention, so I'm all for it, the burden just wasn't intuitive to me.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Kapusta2365 @ESYudkowsky

        Understood, and I actually think that's a good thing for you. If the burden isn't intuitive to you, then you're probably more extroverted, or at least resilient to stress from social interaction.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. sovvinski‏ @Kapusta2365 16 Dec 2017
        Replying to @AbstractMonkey9 @ESYudkowsky

        I'm socially inept, but I enjoy spontaneous social interaction, even from anthropological perspective. I guess I'm fortunate in that respect, because I couldn't really believe that the issue is so widespread and not trivial, as, judging from what I see, it probably is.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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