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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 4 Dec 2017

      If you post an argument online, and the only opposition you get is braindead arguments and insults, does it confirm you were right? Or is it just self-selection of those who argue online?

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @fchollet

      I wrote up a reply to your essay.https://intelligence.org/2017/12/06/chollet/ …

      7:40 PM - 6 Dec 2017
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        2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky

          I'll check it out.

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        3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @fchollet @ESYudkowsky

          I disagree with your points, and I think you are misinterpreting (or over-interpreting) some of mine. Regardless, thanks for taking the time to write this reply, discussion is always good. I'll see if I have the time to write a follow-up in the future.

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        4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @fchollet

          Thanks for taking the time to write the original!

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        2. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          IMO the answer is "self-selection". eg I hoped to find the post convincing, because the super-intelligence thing is distracting from more pressing issues like inequality. However I thought it was hand-wavy, & agree with Eliezer's critique. But I didn't have an incentive to debate

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        3. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @jeremyphoward @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          I agree entirely that inequality is a more pressing issue. I also found the reply (if it was meant as such?) kind of condescending: @fchollet has published papers on using deep learning for theorem proving, you think he doesn’t know basic Bayesian results?

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        4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @F_Vaggi @jeremyphoward @fchollet

          I'll edit my reply (though the edit may take a while to push) to make clear that I'm not saying Chollet doesn't already know Bayes; and that I'm discussing Laplace's Rule of Succession to establish common language and for the benefit of other readers following along.

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        5. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @jeremyphoward @fchollet

          That makes a lot more sense. I think it's just sort of ambiguous when you write something as a reply, but also addressing a wider audience.

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        6. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @F_Vaggi @jeremyphoward @fchollet

          Agreed. Your point was fair.

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        2. visarga‏ @visarga 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          It seems like you don't appreciate the difference between environment simulation for AlphaGo vs humans. The Go board is small and Go rules simple, o.t.o.h. simulating reality is a hard problem. Simulating reality is harder than training the model based RL agent on top.

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        3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @visarga @fchollet

          When human civilization takes centuries to see, poorly, those implications of simple rules that Alpha Zero sees in hours, how can we possibly know how hard the environment really is to learn? Except that it can only be easier for smart things than it is for humans.

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        1. Meanwhile in NOLA‏ @Damian_Tatum 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          It is so enriching to read careful, good faith (and polite) argumentation about problems of significant global concern. Thank you.

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        1. Daniel Böttger‏ @7SecularSermons 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          This conversation is highly valuable and I would like it to continue.

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        1. Irving Rivas‏ @iajrz 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          @rplevy this covers all my bases better than my still in progress rebuttal, and much more. I will discard my (5th, I think?) Draft now. Read this instead.

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        2. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          Related to this discussion : - I studied rates of improvements of many technologies here, and some do follow exponential or superexponential trends https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nintil.com/2016/04/25/no-great-technological-stagnation/amp/ … - IQ and mental illness: Terman found something along those lines. But modern resesrch does not

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        3. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ArtirKel @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          Find that, or at least not unanimously, eg http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032716315658 …

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        2. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          Interesting. It seems much of the difference boils down to the individual/collective divide. In the central chimpanzee example: the reason humans are more capable than chimps is that we humans have built a civilization to amplify our abilities.

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        3. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @togelius @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          This makes us feel like we're generally intelligent, while we're actually incredibly specialized. I'm not sure you can meaningfully say humans are much more generally intelligent than chimps. But we slowly built this great civilization.

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        4. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @togelius @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          For an AI to be recursively self-improving, it would either have to draw on the resources of the civilization that created it, or replicate these resources itself.

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        5. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @togelius @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          In the first case, the AI is bound by its need to collaborate with civilization, and to effectively be part of it. This will incur some large limits on self-improvement, and also externalization of its intelligence. In effect, we become the AI. This happens all the time.

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        6. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @togelius @ESYudkowsky @fchollet

          In the second case, the resources that need to be replicated - in terms of computation, facts/data, and physical manufacturing capacity are immense. Large parts of civilization need to be replicated. Maybe this could be done (by humans), but why?

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