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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 29 Nov 2017

    The most important difference between Proof-of-Work and Proof-of-Stake is that PoW brings revenue to GPU and ASIC manufacturers, which affects R&D timelines for computing hardware, which affects AGI timelines. And yet people obsess over a bunch of trivial other properties.

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      2. El Senor Mas Fina‏ @routine88 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @VitalikButerin

        But is AGI good or bad for humans?

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      3. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @routine88 @ESYudkowsky

        My mental model of @ESYudkowsky says "inevitable, really good if done right, really bad if done poorly, and we'd have a much better shot at getting it right if we had more time to get better at the alignment stuff"

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      4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @VitalikButerin @routine88

        Nailed it in one.

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      2. Madbreaks‏ @Madbreaks 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @VitalikButerin

        Do you consider massive reduction of energy consumption (with PoS vs PoW) to be one of those trivial properties? Sincere question.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @Madbreaks @VitalikButerin

        ...yessssss? In 200 million years, nobody's going to care how much electricity got wasted.

        3 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      4. Rory Greig‏ @rorygreig1 30 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @Madbreaks @VitalikButerin

        I agree with the sentiment, but what if the CO2 emissions push the climate past a tipping point, better to be risk adverse in this situation?

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      5. Alcher Black‏ @alcherblack 30 Nov 2017
        Replying to @rorygreig1 @ESYudkowsky and

        I might be suffering from Poe's law, but here goes: "A sufficiently large nuclear war could completely destroy human civilization. If the bombs struck major manufacturing centres, they could also cause thousands of people to be put out of work."

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      1. Jordan MacLeod‏ @newcurrency 10 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Why I think proven ASIC-resistant currencies like Vertcoin deserve more support and awareness (at the very least until proven, scalable PoS arrives:) $VTC @vertcoin #vtcember

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      1. Arun‏ @arunsasi 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @VitalikButerin

        True. But that is more like a side effect of mass proliferation of mining. Most GPU makers pocketing the cash and explicitly labeling their equipment as not intended for crypto currency miningpic.twitter.com/wdjGgY9UTD

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      1. Crypto Breaking NEWS‏ @CryptoTVNEWS 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Yeah and lets totally ignore the waste of electrical energy at a rate that matches the market cap.

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      1. Paulson S. Park‏ @protez 30 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        PoW and AGI. What a fictious connection only wild dreamers can think of. Rather than the crude justification, what if the huge cost from PoW can be better used for tech advancement when we have superior tech like PoS. ASIC devs seem negligible compared to major chip devs.

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      1. Dylan Reid‏ @CryptoReid 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Yeah...the environment is stupid.

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      1. 0xb9c4c109c4‏ @frshzrnmln 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @VitalikButerin

        then we should support and maintain this Proof-of-Work until AGI is born, saving humanity from roko's basilisk

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      2. Jimmy Rustles‏ @RustlerJimmy 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        What do you think about QTUM's being first with a POS blockchain?

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      3. Protocol Droid Gives Back (Weekly $BTC Giveaway)‏ @C_3_ICO 29 Nov 2017
        Replying to @RustlerJimmy @ESYudkowsky

        “I am the way and the truth and the life.”

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      1. Sjors Provoost‏ @provoost 6 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @jebbery

        What about the fact that Proof-of-Work is actually used in a multibillion dollar real world system? I'm happy for Ethereum holders to try this $40,000,000,000 experiment on behalf of humanity, with their own money. For comparison, that's 4x what (less riksy) Hubble cost so far.

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      1. matt knox‏ @mattknox 4 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        There is also the difference of PoW burning kW/h for no benefit outside the cryptocurrency. By contrast, systems like Algorand that do a proof of useful work could save energy on net.

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      1. joshcryer‏ @joshcryer 1 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        What about the moral role model approach to AGI? We wouldn't want it spending intractable time trying to solve chess. Hashing SHA256 is a completely useless endeavor yet we place so much value on it. Well, not us, but hedge funds anyhow.

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