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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Nov 2017

    A simple test for whether somebody truly cares for the unprivileged, able to imagine themselves in the Other's place and feel what that's like, is to see what they think of exerting dominance over the most socially permitted targets of all: children. #TakingChildrenSeriously

    10:14 AM - 22 Nov 2017
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      1.  🇺🇸Elliot Temple 🤔‏ @curi42 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Are you familiar with Taking Children Seriously, the Popperian parenting/educational philosophy founded by @DavidDeutschOxf, or did you use that term by coincidence?http://fallibleideas.com/taking-children-seriously …

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      2. Mason Masters  👨‍🌾 📉‏ @mm_thewriter 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Why wouldn’t you exert dominance over children?

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      3. angery foosh‏ @teaandrobots 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @mm_thewriter @ESYudkowsky

        Look, we found the person he was talking about

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      4. Mason Masters  👨‍🌾 📉‏ @mm_thewriter 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @teaandrobots @ESYudkowsky

        Great and useful answer 👍🏿 In all seriousness, he doesn’t clarify what ever dominance entails. Abuse? Guidance? Quite a dubious statement.

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      5. angery foosh‏ @teaandrobots 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @mm_thewriter @ESYudkowsky

        In this context of interpersonal relationships, dominance means the expectation of control or power. The assumption that one person's ideas and preferences be treated as more important for no particular reason other than that a more equal relationship is somehow distasteful.

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      6. Mason Masters  👨‍🌾 📉‏ @mm_thewriter 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @teaandrobots @ESYudkowsky

        Well no, the reason is that adults have more experience and knowledge, and children do not fully understand themselves or the world...... It's not hard to understand, we've understood it for centuries....

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      7. angery foosh‏ @teaandrobots 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @mm_thewriter @ESYudkowsky

        You are implying that 1) it's possible to "fully understand the world", 2) judgment of people's understanding of the world can avoid mirroring existing lines of social privilege, 3) you'd have the right to expect submissiveness from an adult who "understood less than you".

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      8. Mason Masters  👨‍🌾 📉‏ @mm_thewriter 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @teaandrobots @ESYudkowsky

        1) why are you thinking in absolutes? Try and read some nuance, obviously nothing to do with full comprehension. 2) the adult-child relationship is one of guidance but for it to work the child must submit, the adult must care 3) democracy sucks

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      9. angery foosh‏ @teaandrobots 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @mm_thewriter @ESYudkowsky

        Yeah, this is both a waste of time and terrifying, bye.

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      1. Story Of System‏ @StoryOfSystem 22 Nov 2017
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        the Other hates you and loves you, because you are made of them and they of you

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      1. Eduardo Valle‏ @DrEAVJr 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        The challenge is the same of the teacher: how do you provide respectful guidance, aiming at future autonomy. This is a contentious point even for *adult* education — the right balance of freedom and direction for students is far from a consensus among my colleagues.

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      1. Michael Golding‏ @mgoldingmd 22 Nov 2017
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        Taking Children Seriously: Founded by Sarah Fitz-Claridge and David Deutsch.

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      1. Ayenem‏ @TheAyenem 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        HJPEV is that you ? I'm sure Mr.Verres takes you more seriously than you think.

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      1. Alexander Davis‏ @ADeebus 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Few things in HPMOR had the verisimilitude of Harry's outrage at being treated as a non-person because of his age. Only competitors might be your hope for the future, dislike of waste, and the anecdote about being sent on an errand out to a dangerous world.

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      1. Dan Flower‏ @NotACatOK 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @catehall

        Or whether they eat animals.

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      2. Mathlev Raxenblatz‏ @laubzega 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        You are a pro-lifer now?

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      3. Murphy‏ @MilitantHobo 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @laubzega @ESYudkowsky

        Only if he also started considering potential-children blastocysts children.

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      4. Mathlev Raxenblatz‏ @laubzega 8 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MilitantHobo @ESYudkowsky

        It's a slippery slope.

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      1. SethArielGreen‏ @setgree 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        This was also one of the things I liked most about HPMOR. another piece of fiction that gets at this dynamic well is Flannery O’Connor’s “The River,” albeit more tragically.

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