Reminder: if a 50-year-old man uses his power to pressure a reluctant 18-year-old woman into sex, the numbers 50 and 18 have literally... nothing... to... do... with why this is morally (or legally) wrong. Mrs. Grundy's salacious tut-tut about the woman's youth insults the woman.
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
What to do w fact that 18 year old adult has far less economic & social power than say 38 year old would, plus their learning of what a healthy hierarchical or sexual relationship is has just begun? I see a huge difference there tho hard to define in law. Precedents help I guess?
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Replying to @TheAnnaGat
People can trick other people at any age. People can pressure other people at any age. Some 18-year-olds are smarter, more socially competent, or even wealthier than some 38-year-olds. The problem isn't the numbers 38 and 18.
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
Yes & I don't question this from an IQ perspective. Just pointing out how a 18 year old adult is engaging in economic and sexual relationships with experienced adult for the first time in their lives, hence they will be more gullible by experienced party re: what is 'normal'.
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Replying to @TheAnnaGat
I agree that in practice many 18-year-olds don't suddenly turn competent to choose cross-age relationships, but do you see how that's a negative judgment of those 18-year-olds? And how it's the *wrong time* to raise that question, when the event *wasn't* her own choice?
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
Very true. Just trying to make sense of how inexperience is still a huge contributing factor to inequality in this situation, added to social status etc. Btw whole 'not her choice' argument brings to mind Catharine MacKinnon, as in deciding for adult women what is their choice...
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Replying to @TheAnnaGat @ESYudkowsky
(And then the who decides that is my choice, and then the religious attire, and then the hormones and the sanity, and then the free will, and then the consequentialists, and then you sit down and cry --- and repeat from beginning.)
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I'm not usually a fan of arbitrary legalisms. But I think there's real wisdom in the decision to draw a silly arbitrary numerical boundary, and say "everyone on the other side of this sharp line gets to make their own decisions".
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
Yeah, and they're supposed to be sober too, so no excuses!
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