There is a legal/illegal discontinuity at a certain age, but morality is more complicated.
-
-
-
If you think you know better than an 18-year-old who chooses of her own will and desire to proposition a 50-year-old man... maybe you're right. But anyone who looks to you to decide that is subordinating her decision to your supposedly greater wisdom about *her* life.
-
It's true. There's no sharp cutoffs in reality. Some 16-year-olds are wise enough to make up their own minds, some 21-year-olds aren't. But it is *problematic* to try to pick and choose. Society drew a line and I think that may have been wise.
-
Looking away from the nonconsent to tut-tut about the age difference implies you somehow know she couldn't have been some 50-year-old's equal and competent to start such a relationship on her own if she'd so chosen. That's trivializing her choices, and not at a good time.
End of conversation
New conversation -
-
-
What to do w fact that 18 year old adult has far less economic & social power than say 38 year old would, plus their learning of what a healthy hierarchical or sexual relationship is has just begun? I see a huge difference there tho hard to define in law. Precedents help I guess?
-
People can trick other people at any age. People can pressure other people at any age. Some 18-year-olds are smarter, more socially competent, or even wealthier than some 38-year-olds. The problem isn't the numbers 38 and 18.
-
I worry it's problematic to not draw a sharp line where we stop second-guessing someone and let her start to learn from her own consensual mistakes. More importantly, when somebody just got *assaulted*, it's *exactly the wrong time* to start sideways hinting at her incompetence!
End of conversation
New conversation -
-
-
Age is rough proxy for power
-
Your understanding of chimp psychology is wanting
End of conversation
New conversation -
-
-
Same for the words "man" and "woman", for that matter.
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
"Moral judgement can be hard so morality doesn't exist" is a bad take
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
Of course it does, you moron. If the sex is coerced due to power dynamics, its incredibly important.
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
When a 21 year old man persuades—voluntarily or not—a 16 year old girl into sex, those two numbers have everything to do with why it is legally and morally wrong and he belongs in prison for years.
-
@SpeakingBee@ESYudkowsky The lower age in Eleizer’s example seems chosen to be unambiguously above the age of consent. However, the scenario you present is still legal in most countries.
End of conversation
New conversation -
-
-
Maturity and development have nothing to do with how morally wrong it is to pressure someone sexually? And age is not a good metric for these factors?
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.