are you serious?
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Sure. Your imagination of a chicken runs on a slice through a whole complete human brain containing all necessary mechanisms for sentience.
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I’m not saying it’s likely. I’m saying it’s more likely.
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to clarify for me: say if i were to slice a chickens leg off, you suspect it won’t feel pain?
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I think EY's view is that there is a thing that happens that is analogous to human pain, but there's no "it" there to feel the pain.
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It feels safer to err on the side of assuming more animals are conscious and can feel pain, than to assume that less can?
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Depends on cost/benefit ratio. For me for example, choosing beef over chicken (99% fewer animals killed/suffer per 100 grams) in many cases is a trivial cost, so I do it.
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This sounds very crazy and I hope an explanation is coming
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admit it, you had an urge to s/chickens/humans/g there
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The potential harms if we are wrong that chickens don’t suffer seem greater than the harms of assuming they can suffer?
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Ending factory farming of chickens will make chicken meat more expensive. That is a harm. But if chickens can suffer, the benefit is huge?
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Ending farming of chickens will result in extinction of chickens. You might make an exception for layers, though.
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Does it matter that they'll go extinct? Does the chicken species matter more that any of the currently endangered species?
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We're presuming that the concerns of chickens matter here. Genocide would be the worst possible outcome from their perspective.
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Does genocide have negative utility on it's own, or is it equal to the aggregated negative utility of all the chicken deaths?
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Revealed preference: Most animals are willing to die themselves if it's the only way to save family/offspring.
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Do we actually care about their preferences and not their happiness/suffering?
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