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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017

      Eliezer Yudkowsky Retweeted Geoffrey Miller

      #UnpopularOpinion: Unavoidable ignorance of a law, because your society has too many laws to learn, is a defense.https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/922139323457200128 …

      Eliezer Yudkowsky added,

      Geoffrey MillerVerified account @primalpoly
      Canada decides that ignorance of the law makes it OK to inflict multiple felony sexual assaults on a woman. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-41699245 …
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    2. The Lagrangian‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2017
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky

      this is a bad example for this argument b/c the law here is simple: all rape is illegal always, including in a marriage

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
      Replying to @The_Lagrangian

      How many centuries did it take for that simple idea to win? But yes, with fewer laws it would have been very easy to teach this one.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. The Lagrangian‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2017
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky

      again, this is a bad example for that argument- rape and murder laws are clearly on the top of the stack of things everyone needs to learn

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
      Replying to @The_Lagrangian

      Yeah. Except that if you took the real laws and taught them over 2 days, we’d have to admit that ignorance of the rest was a thing... 1/

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @The_Lagrangian

      ...and only 30 seconds would elapse before somebody insisted that potato pricing had to be included so ignorance couldn’t be a defense.

      10:54 AM - 22 Oct 2017
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        2. The Lagrangian‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky

          i mean if you want to go reductio ad absurdum, you're advocating that immigrants should be able to claim ignorance on any law

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        3. The Lagrangian‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @The_Lagrangian @ESYudkowsky

          so yes, we should simplify law- but also obvious that naturalization process should include when it is okay to rape people (never)

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @The_Lagrangian

          I do think it’s reasonable to claim ignorance of a law you were not told about, or a demonstrably common comprehension failure not mentioned

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        5. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @The_Lagrangian

          And again to be clear, I’m advocating *telling people* not giving free passes. We’ve come to take for granted that the law must be intuited!

          3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. The Lagrangian‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky

          same- I think our point of disagreement is on what to do about not knowing this law in particular. you're saying to simplify everything...

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        7. The Lagrangian‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @The_Lagrangian @ESYudkowsky

          ... i'm saying it's obviously part of the set of things that need to be known (through education/naturalization) even if law remains complex

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @The_Lagrangian

          My guess is that society is incapable of that step. It disrupts the pretense that all the other laws are knowable and okay to enforce.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 22 Oct 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @The_Lagrangian

          It would be like saying robotic cars can drive 10mph over speed limit. There’s an enormous game of pretend going on that can’t be admitted.

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