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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 18h18 hours ago

    How to use Science! to discredit any opinion X: 1. Make a list of a dozen low-prestige groups - e.g. racists, sociopaths, criminals, people low in empathy... 2. Guess a group likely to be sympathetic to X. 3. "Disliked group Y believes in X more than average, N=157."

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    • jarroslav David Iach 🚀 Jotto999 Artur Klepacz Derbis The Eternal Ingi Eggert Peter Hardgrove Eytan Levit Raphaël
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      1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 18h18 hours ago

        This is formally just the fallacy ad hominem. The fact that you could always find one low-prestige group out of so many candidates that favors X, makes it extra clear that the argument Proves Too Much. But an argumentative fallacy sounds so much more impressive with N=157.

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      2. Maxime Caron‏ @CaronMax 18h18 hours ago
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        It's 2018, who needs science to discredit opinions?

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      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 18h18 hours ago
        Replying to @CaronMax

        There was a very recent one on sadists and the tendency to fear that AGI might hurt people, or something along those lines. I tried to look up the specific paper but couldn't find the right keywords. But there's many, many examples in more politicized fields.

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      2. Basil Marte‏ @BasilMarte 17h17 hours ago
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        1. Make a list of groups and establish their level of General Factor of Correctness; 2. Gauge the groups' level of support for X; 3. "General Factor of Correctness and support for X anticorrelate at r=..., p<..." Argumentum ad suffragium.

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      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 14h14 hours ago
        Replying to @BasilMarte

        The only reality-informative facts of group opinion are surveys of what is believed by superforecasters, professionals, &c. What the low end believes is *not* reality-informative *at all*. Just look at the one side of the graph, don't draw a slope through both sides.

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      1. Sunny Davis‏ @texcoord 17h17 hours ago
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        1. Among the sympathizers of X, many subscribed to Z 2. Z had interviewed a known LPG on his podcast 3. People listen to X also listen to LPG 4. X = LPG Now the LPG in step 2 can be substituted with X when attacking the next target.

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      1. Victor Levoso‏ @VictorLevoso 1h1 hour ago
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        If confronted about it remember to claim you just wrote about the beliefs of different groups and never actually meant it as an ad hominem . And put lots of other groups in the paper to have plausible deniability. If they still complain say they are against Science!

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      1. joshcryer‏ @joshcryer 12h12 hours ago
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        Character assassination dates to antiquity. This is useful because science depends heavily on accuracy and quick pattern recognition. Knowing a generalized basis where data is coming from is instructive for the search. I cautiously approach AGW science for this reason, etc.

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