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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 7

      Definition of “rationalism” from the Eggplant book draft. If you identify as a rationalist, I’m curious whether you find this accurate, and if not, why not?pic.twitter.com/2cvo7478fj

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky May 31
      Replying to @Meaningness

      Revised Lesswrong post, hopefully clearer than the FB post:https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CPP2uLcaywEokFKQG/toolbox-thinking-and-law-thinking …

      2:41 PM - 31 May 2018
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      • Evan M.O Michael Porcelli Mimetïc Value Uncle Ari mutwiri
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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 31
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky

          Thank you! Will read when I get a chance.

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        3. Michael Porcelli‏ @michaelporcelli May 31
          Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky

          Awesome. Thanks. Looking forward to your response, @Meaningness

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        4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 31
          Replying to @michaelporcelli @ESYudkowsky

          I took a quick look. Overall, it appears that neither of us feels the other is getting our respective points. I don’t think the LW post characterizes my pov accurately. This is puzzling, but seems difficult to sort out, and probably not important for either of us.

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        5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 31
          Replying to @Meaningness @michaelporcelli @ESYudkowsky

          A side conversation developed a possible alternative crux: “Maybe @ESYudkowsky thinks (a) everyone has a True Objective Function, even if they aren't aware of it, or (b) everyone _ought_ to have an objective function and it's irrational not to have one.” And I disagree.

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        6. Michael Porcelli‏ @michaelporcelli May 31
          Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky

          That seems off to me. I think @ESYudkowsky is saying something like — for any agent with a goal, then there exists, in theory, an objective means to asses the agent’s decision making procedure relative to an ideal (even if the ideal is unknown or uncomputable)

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        7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 31
          Replying to @michaelporcelli @ESYudkowsky

          Yes… in the presence of conflicting goals, one would need an objective function (or something roughly equivalent) expressing how to trade them off. Otherwise the framework doesn’t apply.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Michael Porcelli‏ @michaelporcelli Jun 1
          Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky

          Maybe I get you more with last tweet @Meaningness — you don’t see Actual Person as agent-with-a-goal, but pluralistic with sometimes conflicting goals; DT doesn’t apply holistically b/c Actual Person has no Actual Utility Function; your point more organismic than mathy — close?

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        9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 1
          Replying to @michaelporcelli @ESYudkowsky

          Yes. All except the last bit: it’s true and important that people are apes, but that wasn’t the point here. If an “abstract agent” has incommensurable goals, DT doesn’t apply. “Organismic” doesn’t bear on the problem.

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        2. jonathanstray‏ @jonathanstray Jun 22
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @Meaningness

          So I've read a fair amount of both @ESYudkowsky and @Meaningness and I don;t think the Tools vs. Laws post captures what David is talking about. Though it is an interesting post. It sounds like you two are talking past each other.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 22
          Replying to @jonathanstray @ESYudkowsky

          I agree on both counts. I find it mysterious that neither of us understands the other. I think I do understand typical rationalists… Eliezer seems to me to have a unique, atypical viewpoint that I haven’t yet been able to figure out.

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        4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 22
          Replying to @Meaningness @jonathanstray @ESYudkowsky

          In both of our defenses: I’m not sure I’ve read whatever is his definitive statement (although I’ve read a fair chunk of his Sequences). And I have mostly talked around my central points rather than stating them clearly. Some people somehow grok them anyway; others don’t.

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        5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 22
          Replying to @Meaningness @jonathanstray @ESYudkowsky

          The Eggplant book is supposed to lead from rationality to meta-rationality in easy steps, so it may help. Unfortunately it’s now ~300 pages and still growing, so whether anyone will read it I don’t know!

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        1. Da...‏ @danych2 Jun 1
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @Meaningness

          some sloppy thoughts about this discussionpic.twitter.com/QxiDY1pFyA

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