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    Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

    While MDPI continues to live down to its reputation and prove that it should never have been taken off Beall's list and the usual suspects continue to disinform, let's discuss what this study actually does and doesn't show. 🧵pic.twitter.com/0SE0saQKRd

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      2. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        First though we need a bit of background. The central dogma of molecular biology says that DNA encodes RNA which encodes protein. DNA can be used as a template to make DNA. RNA can be used to make more RNA. But in general, you can't go backwards from RNA to DNA.

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      3. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        One basic reason for this is that RNA lives in a compartment (the cytosol) separate from our genome (the nucleus) and doesn't have any ready means to go backwards unless it's associated with a protein that can facilitate that process.

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      4. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        There is, however, an exception. Enzymes called reverse transcriptases can use RNA as a template to make DNA. Where does it occur? The most famous example is with retroviruses like HIV, which encode a reverse transcriptase into their genome.

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      5. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        The reverse transcriptase makes a DNA copy of the virus's genome and the virus's RNA genome is destroyed in the process. But this is not in fact what makes HIV so persistent. That requires a second enzyme that is encoded by HIV: integrase.

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      6. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Integrases cut and attach DNA into our genome. In this way, the HIV genome can persist inside cells and any daughter cells they divide into for as long as those cells live. If not for integrase, over time, HIV's genome would be lost. So what does this have to do with people?

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      7. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        In general, our cells have very low (generally not even detectable) reverse transcriptase activity. The little bit we do have has a few sources. One is telomerase, which is an enzyme that adds caps to our chromosomes with the aid of an RNA template because with each...

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      8. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        replication, our chromosomes shrink a little bit. As our cells age, telomerase activity declines and really it's only very substantial in stem cells. Telomerase is also very sequence-specific. It doesn't pick up just any RNA.

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      9. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        The major one of relevance in this paper is something called LINE-1. LINEs are a major part of our genome, where they have the ability to perform copy-paste. Basically, they are transcribed into mRNA in our nucleus, and exported into the cytosol wherein they produce an enzyme.

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      10. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        That enzyme has reverse transcriptase and endonuclease activity, which allows it to make a DNA copy of the mRNA template and paste itself into the genome. However, most LINEs in our genome are not active at all- they don't make any functional enzyme.

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      11. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        LINE-1 elements will also preferentially target their own mRNA sequence for retrotransposition (that's what this process is called) and not any random mRNA floating around in the cell. And once again, this is rare in any normally behaving cell.

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      12. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        This study claims to show that the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine is reverse transcribed in the cell, which alone isn't meaningful because it would be lost over time if only from the cell's own natural division (but as I'll explain, there's another important factor to this).

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      13. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        This is done by performing a PCR which (provided you have well-designed primers) will amplify a DNA sequence of interest, in this case, a sequence specific to SARS-CoV-2 as shown in Figure 1:pic.twitter.com/hdAhkMNvDx

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      14. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Right off the bat, you might notice an issue. The PCR amplicon does not include the entire sequence of the RNA in question, so it can't tell us what precisely is being reverse transcribed aside from that segment.

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      15. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Their experiments do show that the amplicon (which is made of DNA) does exist in the Huh7 cells used for the experiment, and therefore evidence of reverse transcription (give me a minute- this isn't a smoking gun):pic.twitter.com/EJJaxM2B8q

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      16. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        They do not, however, at any point, demonstrate integration of the sequence in question into chromosomal DNA, which would be a critical experiment to do so that's a key deficiency. But there's another piece to this.

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      17. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Furthermore, while they show that the expression of L1 rises with treatment of the Huh7 cells with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, they do not show proof that L1 is mediating the reverse transcription (which would just require KOing L1 and treating with the vaccine).

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      18. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        I still haven't gotten to the best part yet though. Cancer cell lines like Huh7 have really crazy genomes. Huh7 is a cell line taken from the hepatoma (liver cancer) of a 57-year-old Japanese male. https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/42/9/3858/487013/Growth-of-Human-Hepatoma-Cell-Lines-with …

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      19. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Normally, I would show you the karyotype of Huh7 cells to show you how bizarre they look compared to human cells. However, this actually wouldn't be informative because hepatocytes divide without cytokinesis which gives them unusual chromosome numbers. https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/hep.30286 …

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      20. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        However, the accumulation of extra chromosome copies is thought to slow hepatocyte division so you don't get tumors, which is precisely the opposite of what happens in cancer. The point being, cancer cell genomes do not behave like normal cell genomes.

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      21. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        In fact, cancer cell genomes substantially overexpress L1: https://www.nature.com/articles/gim2015119 … L1 expression is directly related to the cell's DNA damage response: https://www.pnas.org/content/119/8/e2115999119 … L1 levels are even being proposed as a biomarker to cancer screening:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6177209/ …

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      22. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        So in short, this study started with a cell that behaves in a way that essentially engineers the results they expect/want to see to make misleading claims about it. The most I can conclude from this study is a cancer cell line might reverse transcribe at least part of Bnt162b2.

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      23. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        It's worthwhile to take a moment now to correct blatantly false things in the manuscript though. The biodistribution discussed here is about the lipids in the vaccine, not the mRNA and this was with a massive dose much greater than the human equivalent. https://scientistabe.wordpress.com/2021/05/31/sciences-pharmacokinetics-do-nano-particles-of-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-cross-the-blood-brain-barrier-and-infect-your-brain-with-mrna-or-will-fritz-your-gonads/ …pic.twitter.com/bUJzwuG1Wy

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      24. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        But now let's close the thought experiment. Say a cancer cell does pick up the mRNA and start making spike and even keeps a DNA copy so it can keep churning it out. Did you know that mRNA vaccines were used for cancer immunotherapy before COVID-19?https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-blog/2021/june/how-mrna-vaccines-help-fight-cancer-tumors-too …

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      25. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Making a tumor display something the immune system is primed to respond strongly against (like the spike protein) would be huge for helping to treat cancer- and this has been shown before e.g. https://www.pnas.org/content/117/2/1119#:~:text=Ultimately%2C%20intratumoral%20unadjuvanted%20seasonal%20influenza,resistant%20tumors%20to%20checkpoint%20blockade …. Note though I'm not suggesting that Bnt162b2 cures cancer.

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      26. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        However, if all of the things in this experiment as claimed were reproduced, I would not be immediately concerned by any means. By the way, we have gone round and round with something similar with SARS-CoV-2, with claims that its genome (or fragments thereof) were...

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      27. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        integrating into our cells. Upon further investigation, to the shock of no molecular biologists, these findings were shown to be artifactual: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8316065/ … https://www.pnas.org/content/118/33/e2109066118 …https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00294-21 …

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      28. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        We've given out hundreds of millions of doses of these vaccines. They're safe. They prevent severe COVID-19 amazingly well, they reduce transmission, they do all we ask of them and more. Don't believe the disinformation.

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      29. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        @threadreaderapp please unroll

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      30. Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦‏ @ENirenberg Feb 25

        Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦 Retweeted Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦

        Point of clarification bc I wrote this a bit too quickly- L1s are not telomerases. “The major one” here is about reverse transcriptases.https://twitter.com/ENirenberg/status/1497377290841473025 …

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        Edward Nirenberg  🇺🇦 @ENirenberg
        The major one of relevance in this paper is something called LINE-1. LINEs are a major part of our genome, where they have the ability to perform copy-paste. Basically, they are transcribed into mRNA in our nucleus, and exported into the cytosol wherein they produce an enzyme.
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      31. End of conversation

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