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Dr. Seely, ND, MSc
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Founder & ED, Ottawa Integrative Cancer Centre @OICCsupport; Executive Director, Res & Clin Epi @myCCNM; Adjunct Prof @uOttawaMed; President @OncANP

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    1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 2 Nov 2019

      David Gorski, MD, PhD Retweeted Jay Gordon, MD, FAAP

      No one says this. No one. What we do say is that vaccines don’t cause autism (because this question’s been studied to death and no positive signal has emerged), and we show why antivaccine tropes are BS.https://twitter.com/JayGordonMDFAAP/status/1190801979674546177 …

      David Gorski, MD, PhD added,

      Jay Gordon, MD, FAAP @JayGordonMDFAAP
      Yes. We should continue to study and improve all aspects of medical. Vaccines included. Far too many “scientists” claim that the issue of vaccine safety and improvement is closed. No more study needed. They are wrong. https://twitter.com/CloseToHomeMD/status/1190796966176968704 …
      15 replies 54 retweets 369 likes
    2. Dr. Seely, ND, MSc‏ @DugaldSeely 2 Nov 2019
      Replying to @gorskon

      You claim to be a skeptic but your agenda pretty much speaks for itself. To close the debate is inherently unscientific.

      8 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    3. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 2 Nov 2019
      Replying to @DugaldSeely @gorskon

      Please tell me that you aren't an anti-vaxxer. There is no plausible mechanism, the epi links don't make any sense compared to the incidence over time, and there are some 1.4M data points to demonstrate vaccines don't cause autism. There was never a legit debate here.

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
    4. Dr. Seely, ND, MSc‏ @DugaldSeely 3 Nov 2019
      Replying to @drbrignall @gorskon

      I am not an antivaxxer Matthew, never have been. I do dislike knee jerk tendency to put put people into a particular camp and not support discussion; just perpetuates simplistic non-dialogue where someone is either pro or anti-vax. Good for sensationalists, but not for progress.

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    5. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 3 Nov 2019
      Replying to @DugaldSeely @gorskon

      I strongly disagree. Any suggestion that there is still legit debate that vaccines have unreported risks is bothe wrong and straight from the antivax playbook. This is a depressingly common trope, and I wish people still involved in ND schools would drop it.

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      Dr. Seely, ND, MSc‏ @DugaldSeely 3 Nov 2019
      Replying to @drbrignall @gorskon

      I don’t think it is quite as simple as that. To say that there are absolutely no risks associated with vaccines for all is wrong (recognized), just as it is clear that vaccinations for infections with high risk and morbidity is important. There is a lot of grey between the poles.

      10:48 AM - 3 Nov 2019
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        1. (((Mark)))‏ @MarkRap40434853 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @drbrignall @gorskon

          No grey area at all. There are very few people who can not be vaccinated for medical conditions. Everyone else should be vaccinated. The benefits far far outweighs the risk.

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        2. (((Mark)))‏ @MarkRap40434853 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @drbrignall @gorskon

          It would be like telling people not to go out and walk for exercise. Because maybe someone might trip and hurt themselves.

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        3. Ms Anne Thrope‏ @everydayangst1 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @MarkRap40434853 @DugaldSeely and

          I once knew somebody who had a kid who was perfect until they went for a walk and tripped. Now he has autism. And measles.

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        2. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @gorskon

          Nobody ever said that there are absolutely no risks associated. I have said, and I'll stand by this, that the risks for serious rxn is so low we can't distinguish them from background population rates.

          1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
        3. Dr. Seely, ND, MSc‏ @DugaldSeely 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @drbrignall @gorskon

          You have no concerns with an escalating frequency and density of vaccines at an increasingly young age? If not, that is your choice but I cannot agree that this application has been anywhere near adequately studied to rule out significant unknown risks.

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        2. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @gorskon

          Vaccination policy is a population program. If we are going to play with schedules like our own personal Pinterest project, we might as well fold it in, b/c we know that doesn't work. I'll bite - which vaccines are not worth it to you?

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        3. Dr. Seely, ND, MSc‏ @DugaldSeely 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @drbrignall @gorskon

          I get the population arguement and it’s obviously valid, but there has to be room for choice, discussion and responsiveness to how some children react. Having multivalent applications force a process that may not always be best. I am not the arbiter on which should be avoided.

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        1. Oaklandish Dude‏ @oaklandishdude 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @drbrignall @gorskon

          The only people that would use the term "no risk" have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. If course there is some small risk. Hell there is a risk if infection when the needle pierces the skin. You want no risk go live in a mine shaft.

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        1. Skeptiguy‏ @Skeptiguy1 3 Nov 2019
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @drbrignall @gorskon

          That would be why nobody says that, then. Apart from antivaxers putting words in people's mouths.

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