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Dr. Seely, ND, MSc
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Dr. Seely, ND, MSc

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Founder & ED, Ottawa Integrative Cancer Centre @OICCsupport; Executive Director, Res & Clin Epi @myCCNM; Adjunct Prof @uOttawaMed; President @OncANP

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    1. Ken Jaques  🇨🇦  ❤️‏ @kenjaques 8 Nov 2018
      Replying to @DugaldSeely @gorskon @CaulfieldTim

      Saw this quote earlier today in an article talking about placebos. "Science may not be the only way to understand illness and healing, but it is the established way." Yes, thankfully a very big tent. We won't medicate ourselves to health, as some in the tent have discovered.

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    2. Axel  🚲 Gutmann  💉 💉‏ @axel_gutmann 8 Nov 2018
      Replying to @kenjaques @DugaldSeely and

      Science may not be the only way to look at illness and healing, but it is the only way to understand it (to understand anything in fact).

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. Ken Jaques  🇨🇦  ❤️‏ @kenjaques 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @axel_gutmann @DugaldSeely and

      So we wait. In the meantime the practice of medicine continues. Over half the adult population diagnosed with chronic disease, health care systems unsustainable. Probably best to end the silly debates until we get some answers from science, better to focus on better health.

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    4. Axel  🚲 Gutmann  💉 💉‏ @axel_gutmann 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @kenjaques @DugaldSeely and

      Science has already given us some answers and they say that a great part of naturopathy is useless.

      1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
    5. Ken Jaques  🇨🇦  ❤️‏ @kenjaques 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @axel_gutmann @DugaldSeely and

      Science has given us some good answers, scientists have applied their interpretations and sometimes conjecture. Long ways to go before we know what parts of naturopathy, Integrative Medicine and even Conventional Medicine is "useless".

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Axel  🚲 Gutmann  💉 💉‏ @axel_gutmann 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @kenjaques @DugaldSeely and

      There are of course lots of open questions - medicine will probably never be the exact science physics is - but for lots of theories - e.g. homeopathy, kinesiology, cranial osteopathy, iridology, rolfing and the like - there are definite and final negative answers.

      4 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    7. Ken Jaques  🇨🇦  ❤️‏ @kenjaques 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @axel_gutmann @DugaldSeely and

      Do we have definite and final answers on placebo effect? Nocebo effect? How the body's healing process works? We have a lot of science types positing definite and final negative answers. Do we really have the science to support those claims? Or is it "scientific consensus"?

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    8. Axel  🚲 Gutmann  💉 💉‏ @axel_gutmann 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @kenjaques @DugaldSeely and

      For a therapy to be considered useful/real it has to be better than placebo - this can be tested, even without knowing the exact healing process just by statistically analysing outcomes. Some therapies even contradict basic natural laws (homeopathy is the best example).

      1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
    9. Ken Jaques  🇨🇦  ❤️‏ @kenjaques 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @axel_gutmann @DugaldSeely and

      Understood. Has to be tested to be "better than placebo", often with side effects not present in placebo. Risk/benefit? Is this really "good science", or is it our current understanding? Do we really understand placebo? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/magazine/placebo-effect-medicine.html#click=https://t.co/zQg5TV4rnW …

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    10. Axel  🚲 Gutmann  💉 💉‏ @axel_gutmann 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @kenjaques @DugaldSeely and

      Thanks for the interesting article; I never denied the existence of the placebo effect & as a materialist I'm not surprised it has a material base. But naturopaths themselves claim a specific effect of their therapies that isn't (all) placebo & burden of proof for that is theirs.

      2 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
      Dr. Seely, ND, MSc‏ @DugaldSeely 9 Nov 2018
      Replying to @axel_gutmann @kenjaques and

      To say there is no evidence beyond placebo for any of the plant based medicines, nutritional approaches, lifestyle support and natural therapies used by NDs is just ignorant. Are you in practice or involved in medical research? If not try spending some time with the literature.

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        2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 9 Nov 2018
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @axel_gutmann and

          Straw men. No one says that lifestyle changes are useless. No one says that pharmacognosy (the study of natural products) is without merit. Naturopathy, however, combines a little science with a whole lot of pseudoscience and quackery, including homeopathy.

          2 replies 6 retweets 78 likes
        3. Timothy Caulfield‏Verified account @CaulfieldTim 9 Nov 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @DugaldSeely and

          And, of course, "integrative" practitioners do not own lifestyle interventions. They are not "alternative". Classic false dichotomy. These are science-based approaches that do not require the existence of CAM. Indeed, CAM often wraps sensible advice in blanket of pseudoscience..

          2 replies 4 retweets 32 likes
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        1. Aad Groeneveld - Translator, former dogwalker‏ @AadGroeneveld1 9 Nov 2018
          Replying to @DugaldSeely @axel_gutmann and

          Well, going by your 'titles' you are neither of those at least...pic.twitter.com/d9HAy1T8Rr

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