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    Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

    Dr Dimitra Fimi Retweeted Robert Kearney

    I've been asked several times today to give my view on this so here it goes. First things first, there are links between Middle-earth and the history of Europe but not in any way this thread suggests. 1/13 @TolkienSociety @theoneringnet @JRRTolkienhttps://twitter.com/Robkearney1981/status/1294803278354681856 …

    Dr Dimitra Fimi added,

    Robert Kearney @Robkearney1981
    Millions have come to enjoy and love J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy but few know that the author privately told many that these works were based on a true history of Europe, one which had been hidden from ordinary people for thousands of years. pic.twitter.com/kjmc8mha79
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      2. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        Dr Dimitra Fimi Retweeted Robert Kearney

        There is no such quotation in Tolkien's published works - unless the author of this thread or the article they cite have access to unpublished letters/manuscripts by Tolkien (and permission to quote from them): https://twitter.com/Robkearney1981/status/1294806375479021568 … 2/13

        Dr Dimitra Fimi added,

        Robert Kearney @Robkearney1981
        Although publicly being forced to claim these stories came from his experiences in the Great War, in private Tolkien was said to become enraged when his works were dismissed as "fantasy".  " ... ‘NO!  It isn’t analogy and metaphor!  This is what I learned from my reading…’ pic.twitter.com/pmTS7wQSYg
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      3. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        Dr Dimitra Fimi Retweeted Robert Kearney

        No he didn't. He found lots of "old books" in several languages in the Bodleian, but this is hardly "the basement of the school's library" (which school, I wonder? and which library?) 3/13https://twitter.com/Robkearney1981/status/1294807323542720515 …

        Dr Dimitra Fimi added,

        Robert Kearney @Robkearney1981
        As a young student at Oxford, Tolkien claimed that he discovered a number of old books in the basement of the school's library. They contained an account of life in Europe 6, 500 years ago and an epic struggle for ancient civilization that occurred then. pic.twitter.com/SnIyat9fUY
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      4. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        Dr Dimitra Fimi Retweeted Robert Kearney

        (Sigh...) I can assure you there were (and are!) MANY Oxford dons and students who could read "ancient Scandinavian" (Old Icelandic, I presume?) - Tolkien was one of many. https://twitter.com/Robkearney1981/status/1294808444814405632 … 4/13

        Dr Dimitra Fimi added,

        Robert Kearney @Robkearney1981
        The books were written in ancient Scandinavian, a language that Tolkien had coincidently studied so he was able to read them. Tolkien reportedly told his friends like C.S. Lewis… "there’s a whole history we don’t even know about." pic.twitter.com/6wdmDSTsur
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      5. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        Dr Dimitra Fimi Retweeted Robert Kearney

        Nop. What he actually said: "I imagine the gap [between the end of the Third Age + 'our Days'] to be about 6000 years: that is we are now at the end of the Fifth Age, if the Ages were of about the same length as S.[econd] A.[ge] and T.[hird] A.[ge]." https://twitter.com/Robkearney1981/status/1294811792179433472 … 5/13

        Dr Dimitra Fimi added,

        Robert Kearney @Robkearney1981
        In several private letters to correspondents, Tolkien wrote that "Lord of the Rings’ was about Europe 6500 years ago; that the Irish were the Hobbits and the elves were the Nords." pic.twitter.com/hCEs3mIHbx
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      6. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        Note the use of the word "imagine" in the quotation above (which comes from Letter #211). I'll come back to the 6000 years thing. Bear with me. 6/13

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      7. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        What #Tolkien DID do is claim that The #Hobbit and The #LordoftheRings were not his own creative writing but his ‘translation’ of selections from a manuscript compilation in an ancient, forgotten language: The Red Book of Westmarch. 7/13

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      8. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        This is a VERY old literary technique, the "found manuscript" topos, also used by Horace Walpole, H. Rider Haggard, H.G. Wells, Umberto Eco, and many others. The author says, I didn't make that up, I found that old book/manuscript and I am just editing/translating it, etc. 8/13

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      9. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        What #Tolkien also DID say was: "I am historically minded. Middle-earth is not an imaginary world… The theatre of my tale is this earth, the one in which we now live, but the historical period is imaginary..." (continued) - again NOTE: "imaginary"! 9/13

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      10. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        (Continued) "...The essentials of that abiding place are all there (at any rate for inhabitants of N. W. Europe), so naturally it feels familiar, even if a little glorified by the enchantment of distance in time." (Letter #183) 10/13

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      11. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        I've examined in detail in my book how Tolkien created a pastiche of ancient and medieval European cultures in Middle-earth of the Third Age that just didn't fit together chronologically - and he knew that well: 11/13pic.twitter.com/0KQUh2A0zV

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      12. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        Re: the 6000 years, this is what I have argued in my book (I don't think the number was accidental!): 12/13pic.twitter.com/KYN8E97pr3

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      13. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        More on all of this in my book (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tolkien-Race-Cultural-History-Dimitra/dp/0230272843 …) Over and out! 13/13pic.twitter.com/BJZqDadGOW

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      14. Dr Dimitra Fimi‏ @Dr_Dimitra_Fimi 17 Aug 2020

        @David_Shearman here you go! 👆 And thanks to @LukeBShelton who first brought this to my attention!

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