I think I agree with Liza -- I've allowed myself to slip into the most Imperial of things, the Oxbridge tutorial mindset: ooh, an argument to pick, let me pick it! Obviously I don't disagree that Empire has lasting, profound structural consequences
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I don't agree that "Londoners are well-travelled because Empire" is an especially plausible narrative, but that's neither here nor there as far as the broader point is concerned.
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I agree with Ambereen's point though that it's impossible to separate what it means to travel "abroad" (and who can) from empire, which was a shaping force in where borders got drawn, where infrastructure for travel was built, how people imagined what spaces they could occupy.
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Absolutely, to the extent that Empire and colonial exploitation reshaped the world. But are modern "Londoners" uniquely privileged by those historical preconditions in their attitude to travel?
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Yes, because of a thing called passport privilege as well.
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I don’t want to keep belabouring this, but that privilege applies equally (or more, soon) to other Western countries without the same history of global empire.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @literasyme, @DrDadabhoy ja
I’m NOT denying that these privileges exist, nor that they have a strong historical connection to colonialism, nor that they’re sustained by modern global capitalism. But they’re not specific to the UK.
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I’m not sure anyone has tried to argue they’re specific to the UK. The OP was about Londoners, so that’s what framed the conversation.
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That framing (UK/London vs US) was how I understood the discussion. It’s not like the US don’t benefit at least as much from post-Empire political and economic structures as the UK — right?
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The US is an imperial state. There is no post empire when we still have economic imperialism and when indigenous people live under US imperial occupation. The OP comparison is facile but still allows us to think through travel as an exercise in power and domination.
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There is absolutely US passport privilege but this is also because of the legacies of and desire for empire. I’m also not interested in debating further whether or not empire is a meaningful epistemology.
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Not a debate I’d be interested in having either!
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