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    Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2

    Doug Saunders Retweeted Shane Dingman

    Quebec introduced a universal childcare program 20 years ago. While hardly lavish, it produced the highest rate of female workforce participation in the world. It also raised Quebec's fertility rate. And it paid for itself, through added tax revenues created by working women.https://twitter.com/shanedingman/status/1080498030133022721 …

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    Shane DingmanVerified account @shanedingman
    "Quebec has seen the rate of women age 26 to 44 in the workforce reach 85 percent, the highest in the world, according to Fortin. The rate of women that age in the workforce across all of Canada is 80 percent." https://twitter.com/CityLab/status/1080461972053860352 …
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      2. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2

        (I document this in my book Maximum Canada: http://www.dougsaunders.net/about/maximum-canada/ … )

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      3. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2

        (Technically 22 years ago -- the legislation itself was 1997 --but it wasn't til the end of the '90s that it really got going)

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      2. Al Gajdostik‏ @AlGajdostik Jan 2
        Replying to @DougSaunders

        And that's a good thing? Having strangers raise your kids? Here's a novel idea: raise your own kids. Ever thought that might be a good idea, Doug? Folks that live in rural ares raise their own kids. And most urban folks do too. Toughest job in this world is raising kids. By far!

        32 replies . 6 retweets 129 likes
      3. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2
        Replying to @AlGajdostik

        Homeschooled kids have terrible social and developmental outcomes and often fare terribly in the real world. Being held hostage by your family and isolated from human community is not good for success

        271 replies . 21 retweets 399 likes
      4. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders 19h19 hours ago
        Replying to @DougSaunders @AlGajdostik

        This is solidly documented in the literature: Homeschooled are "three times more likely to report being behind their expected grade level and two and a half times more likely to report no extracurricular activities in the prior year than their traditionally schooled counterparts"

        9 replies . 0 retweets 14 likes
      5. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders 18h18 hours ago
        Replying to @DougSaunders @AlGajdostik

        That's from the National Institute of Health, "Homeschooled adolescents in the United States: developmental outcomes." You find similar results across the literature -- as long as that literature doesn't draw on self-selected proponents. (In other words, is actual scholarship).

        7 replies . 0 retweets 6 likes
      6. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders 18h18 hours ago
        Replying to @DougSaunders @AlGajdostik

        (And I should note that most of the people responding to that remark appear not to have been taught that n=1 is not a useful sample size. That, along with their Twitter bios, speaks volumes for this form of education)

        8 replies . 0 retweets 20 likes
      7. Emily Dymphna‏ @EmilieLetranger 17h17 hours ago
        Replying to @DougSaunders @AlGajdostik

        Yeah buthttps://www.nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/ …

        1 reply . 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders 14h14 hours ago
        Replying to @EmilieLetranger

        That’s “research” by a homeschooling advocacy group. Of course it finds that school withdrawal is good, much as anti-vaxer groups produce “research” suggesting that non-vaccination of children is something other than harmful to the entire population

        1 reply . 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Lexy Cameron‏ @LexyCameron Jan 2
        Replying to @DougSaunders

        Not lavish is an odd description. I know a couple, one a Concordia prof, the other McGill prof, making high incomes, paying $7/day for childcare. Seems to me the program should be geared to income. I thought I'd heard the program was stretching govt coffers.

        12 replies . 2 retweets 25 likes
      3. Les Perreaux‏Verified account @perreaux Jan 2
        Replying to @LexyCameron @DougSaunders

        The program is now tied to income. Your friends are paying thousands of dollars in extra taxes in April. The new government pledged to make it universal again but there’s no timeline.

        2 replies . 0 retweets 15 likes
      4. Les Perreaux‏Verified account @perreaux Jan 2
        Replying to @perreaux @LexyCameron @DougSaunders

        It amounts to about $22 a day instead of $8.25. Still vastly more affordable than most other places in Canada. But having lived it with 2 let me just say the extra $6000 at tax time is a heck of a shock and cost the Liberals dearly politically in the last election.)

        2 replies . 1 retweet 12 likes
      5. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2
        Replying to @perreaux @LexyCameron

        Useful information, Les. Note that parents pay an average of $14,700 per child per year for childcare in Vancouver, $16,800 in St John’s, and $20,832 in Toronto

        1 reply . 1 retweet 14 likes
      6. Les Perreaux‏Verified account @perreaux Jan 2
        Replying to @DougSaunders @LexyCameron

        I don’t know how anyone does it. We are in the top bracket and it cost just over $10,000 for two.

        3 replies . 0 retweets 7 likes
      7. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2
        Replying to @perreaux @LexyCameron

        I can't remember how much we spent... We were partly saved because most of it (after our oldest turned 3) was in UK, where we took advantage of primary schools that begin classes on the kid's third birthday -- ie de facto child care, offered in a school by real teachers.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. Andrea Addario‏ @addarioandrea Jan 2
        Replying to @DougSaunders @perreaux

        “Real teachers” is exactly what my kids’ childcare providers were from 1-4YO. That said, the year we had one in toddler room and one in infant room, it cost us $34K. I.e. everything we had.

        0 replies . 1 retweet 7 likes
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      2. pauleen payne‏ @PauleenPayne Jan 2
        Replying to @DougSaunders

        They also have amazing parental leaves so that when both moms and dads take time off- they get extra time off together- and this one fairly recent change drastically increased father participation in raising children and doing housework

        1 reply . 1 retweet 40 likes
      3. Doug Saunders‏Verified account @DougSaunders Jan 2
        Replying to @PauleenPayne

        What I’d like to see is the Nordic policy of mandating all men to take several months of paternal leave, exactly the same amount as women — thus eliminating any incentive for employers to hire young men rather than young women

        1 reply . 12 retweets 158 likes
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