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Public defender, politics follower, nerd stuff enthusiast. I'm tired of this shit and want some damn lemoncakes, stat.

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    1. Sam Wilkinson‏ @samwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @noonanville

      Without us getting properly INTO IT: what about it appealed to you/r sensisibilities? (I found it to be Douthat's predictably dense contemptuous bullshit, but I'm an awful person like that.)

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    2. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
      Replying to @samwilkinson @noonanville

      I think it's worth thinking about both whether we do have a right to sex, that it's a question with many facets (not just incels bit disabilities, etc), about whether we treat celibacy as far too abhorrent a state. I don't know what I think but they are worth discussing

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Sam Wilkinson‏ @samwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @noonanville

      I'm sure that we agree that a right to sex is not the same as a right to another person's body. To my mind, @DouthatNYT was (extremely predictably) dabbling with that second idea, rather than grappling instead with that first one.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
      Replying to @samwilkinson @noonanville @DouthatNYT

      Yes, this is probably right.

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    5. Punkin Idaho  📚‏ @noonanville May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @samwilkinson @DouthatNYT

      I'm not sure I believe that. I think a focus on sex work, porn, and robots means that Douthat was explicitly trying to figure out how a right to sex works in the absence of a right to control of other people's bodies.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
      Replying to @noonanville @samwilkinson @DouthatNYT

      He didn't forcefully condemn Hanson and incels nearly enough.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Sam Wilkinson‏ @samwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @noonanville @DouthatNYT

      He struck me as implicitly sympathetic to Hanson/incels as a useful cudgel to wield against the people he really dislikes, which is anybody to his left on these issues.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Elizabeth Picciuto‏Verified account @epicciuto May 2
      Replying to @samwilkinson @noonanville @DouthatNYT

      I dunno, I thought he seemed to give the philosopher a sympathetic reading.

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    9. Don Zeko‏ @Don_Zeko May 2
      Replying to @epicciuto @samwilkinson and

      My read was that he's saying sex redistribution is inevitable unless we restigmatize extramarital or at least not mostly monogamous sex.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. (((pillsy)))‏ @DucksForDuckGod May 2
      Replying to @Don_Zeko @epicciuto and

      Of course, this defines "redistribution" to mean "allowing something to be legally bought and sold". Between tendentious definitions of common words, copious straw men, and being prompted by the motives of a heinous criminal, Douthat hit the Bad Contrarian Take Trifecta.

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      Don Zeko‏ @Don_Zeko May 2
      Replying to @DucksForDuckGod @epicciuto and

      Right. The big problem is eliding the very big and important differences between the liberal proposal here and the horrific incel proposal.

      10:05 AM - 2 May 2018
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        2. Don Zeko‏ @Don_Zeko May 2
          Replying to @crazyfillyjonk @DucksForDuckGod and

          Fair point. If we're proposing things like legalizing prostitution and encouraging cultural change on how we assess the desirability of sex partners then at least we're not bringing the state down on your head, but...

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        3. Don Zeko‏ @Don_Zeko May 2
          Replying to @Don_Zeko @crazyfillyjonk and

          ...you're right that the whole debate is very much oriented around which men will have access to the female sexual partners they want and how.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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        5. Don Zeko‏ @Don_Zeko May 2
          Replying to @crazyfillyjonk @DucksForDuckGod and

          This, this, this.

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        6. Punkin Idaho  📚‏ @noonanville May 2
          Replying to @Don_Zeko @crazyfillyjonk and

          You look like you're talking to yourself lol

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        7. Don Zeko‏ @Don_Zeko May 2
          Replying to @noonanville @crazyfillyjonk and

          Damn protected accounts, not putting their bad takes out there for the world to drag.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Punkin Idaho  📚‏ @noonanville May 2
          Replying to @Don_Zeko @crazyfillyjonk and

          My one true virtue is being infinitely draggable.

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