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Founder http://ExplainTrade.com . Trainer for hire in negotiation skills & trade policy. Fmr Aussie trade negotiator and current Visiting Prof. at @UniStrathclyde.

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    Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019

    1/ My very boring take on the UK-US docs is they read exactly as you'd expect from two sides trying to better understand one another's systems ahead of an FTA negotiation. Government's mistake was to say issues aren't "up for discussion" instead of "we won't make concessions."

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      2. Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019

        2/ When you say something won't even be talked about, you set yourself up to look deceptive when it inevitably is. You put yourself in the position of either not even letting the other side explain their interests or of contradicting your promises, right from the start.

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      3. Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019

        3/ "BUT BORIS JOHNSON IS LIAR, HE WILL SELL NHS TO AMERIKANZ AND CHLORINATE MY CHICKEN NUGGET," you shout at me. That's a valid opinion, but let's be honest and admit there's literally nothing Boris Johnson, DIT or anyone else could do at this point to make you stop holding it.

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      4. Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019

        4/ Either you believe a Boris Johnson administration will cave on these issues or you don't. Whether the issues arose in some meetings DIT staff took with their counterparts (or even industry) before negotiations even started doesn't change that calculus one iota.

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      2. Darren Ferreday‏ @Fez100 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @DmitryOpines

        I agree except for the fact the circumstantial (documented) evidence aligns precisely with the economic ideologies of the current Gov, & they denied it, & they redacted it 🙄, & they’ve consistently lied about most other subjects Hard to be open minded at this point

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      3. Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @Fez100

        This is exactly my point. If the Government had said from the start, "We know they'll raise it, and we'll hear them out and explain how the NHS works but we won't be changing it," then they wouldn't be in this mess.

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      2. Geoff Winestock‏ @GeoffWinestock 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @DmitryOpines

        Aust-us fta is a likely model on these issues. The text talks about drug pricing, food standards but has made little practical difference.

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      3. Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @GeoffWinestock

        Very possibly. I wonder if the UK would be happy with AUSFTA levels of prefential market access.

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      2. max zec‏ @seeing4d 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @DmitryOpines

        Isn’t the real question whether or not boris government will concede this and what if anything will we get in return?

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      3. Dmitry Grozoubinski‏ @DmitryOpines 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @seeing4d

        That is indeed, the real question.

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      2. Philip Aldous‏ @PAldousMusic 27 Nov 2019
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        The key detail is the US will be in a far stronger negotiating position than us. We'll be desperate for a deal, so the US will set the terms. The documents clearly state the US want us to reduce food standards & pay more for drugs. If we refuse, they can simply play hard ball.

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      3. Sebastian Marsching‏ @SMarsching 27 Nov 2019
        Replying to @PAldousMusic @DmitryOpines

        One hint might be the TTIP negotiations. The US pulled out of these negotiations because Trump did not consider the concessions by the Europeans sufficient. You can be sure that the UK (being a much smaller economy than the EU) will not get better conditions.

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