86% of self-declared vegetarians returned to eating meat; 60-66% hat eaten meat during the last 24 hours.
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Replying to @DegenRolf @clairlemon
That's one study in United States where there are fewer veggies than most. It also fails to actually, you know, engage the argument. People do all kinds of unethical things. That doesnt change whether it is ethical or not.
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Replying to @Furrybuttons @clairlemon
I have seen similar results from other countries, for example Switzerland. And I don't ask if it is ethical, but if it is doable, for the masses.
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Replying to @DegenRolf @clairlemon
Well it would be interesting to see how a group (say at a nation state level) would respond to a real push for more plant-based living. Through tax breaks, wide-scale nudging and overall vegetarian friendly cultural reform could there be a dramatic change in those numbers?
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Replying to @Furrybuttons @clairlemon
In order to get a large majority of people go vegetarian, you would have to take extremely UNLIBERTARIAN measures. I definitely do not want to be part of that experiment.
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Replying to @DegenRolf @clairlemon
I dont mean in that sense. Consider the shift in views on gay marriage, abortion or environmental protection. Why couldn't a similar shift occur with vegetarianism? Govts use econ incentives in every aspect of our lives now - this is innocuous and has positive externalities.
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Because eating meat is really ingrained in our biological nature: https://twitter.com/DegenRolf/status/1178901125908570112?s=20 … Also, feasting on (and sharing) meat is epitome of celebrating among indigenous people and in history, up to barbecuing and Sunday roast.
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Replying to @DegenRolf @clairlemon
I think the numbers will rise. The ethical implications are pretty clear. Humans have had many questionable traditions fall by the wayside and an appeal to nature is outmoded. We don't accept that line of reasoning when eco-fascists spout it so why should I about boxstore steak.
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Replying to @Furrybuttons @clairlemon
I would take a bet with you that it wont. Just read that in India, more people have started eating meat, often even secretly. The ethical implications are FAR more complicated if you dig into the matter, as I did in recent years. Many lies and fake information flying around.
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Replying to @DegenRolf @clairlemon
True. Humans love meat. Won't argue there. The ethical implications are not far more complex. What are you talking about? Less resources used. Less harm to complex sentient life forms. Never heard anything that negates this. Can't feed 9 billion with grass-fed grazing cattle.
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I am not going into this deeply, because it is beyond the Twitter format. Just one lesson of evolutionary ecology: From the beginning, humans used land for husbandry not suited for farming. Think Pampas. For producing high value proteins, not only nourishing, but yielding bliss.
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Replying to @DegenRolf @clairlemon
Fair enough that there are other opportunities out there, technological innovations, etc. But asking westerners to eat less meat should not be a big ask. The ethics and math are on the side of plant-based diets. Warehouse lab meat without sentience and fake meat are needed though
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