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Independent journalist covering social justice movements. Just call me David.

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    1. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      “We do not work with Mr. Larsen,” a police department spokesman wrote in an email. “That party has the discretion whether or not to release footage to SFPD.” Bullshit. The article repeatedly cites video from the network being provided to police, and cops can subpoena any time.

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    2. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      The entire piece only provides a single example of footage being used for something besides police evidence. "In Japantown, the group mostly uses the cameras to find where a car window has been shattered or trash has been dumped so they can send [a] private cleanup crew."

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    3. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      Towards the end if the piece, Bowles quotes @maassive from @EFF about potential face recognition issues, but not wider concerns with the system as it currently exists and is only understood by descriptions from Larsen himself.

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    4. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      We get a vague mention of "watchdogs worry about cameras being used for spotty or biased monitoring," but nothing else on that. The final word in the article is given to Larsen to call for "continuous video feeds on every corner," as some sort of trust-builder in his panopticon.

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    5. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      No mention of the role racism might play or NextDoor-like busybodies choosing who the ne'er-do-wells are that should be reported to police. No mention of formal policies other than Larsen assuring us the high-res video sharp enough to tell eye color is only retained for 30 days.

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    6. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      While @NellieBowles doesn't address the contradiction, Larsen says that "Individual vigilantism will not work." Well, if the system is not about vigilantism, and is only partially about cleanup crews, then it's about creating an unregulated pipeline of evidence to police.

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    7. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      Another screaming contradiction in Larsen's narrative slides by unquestioned: “Body cams show some pretty core weaknesses because we don’t have universal access to police body cam footage, and there’s a conflict of interest if the video shows something bad for the department.”

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    8. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      First, access to his private network is not universal, not even close. It's controlled by him, Applied Video Solutions, and whatever BIDs have signed up. Perhaps there are neighborhood groups involved as claimed, but who are they and can anyone just drop by to view footage?

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    9. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      Secondly, it's disingenuous to pretend BIDs and whomever has access to this network don't have conflicts of interest. Who honestly believes that, say, if a BID rep or allie sprayed a homeless person with water that that video would be handed over to police for assault charges?

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    10. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      What's to prevent unethical if not illegal behavior by keepers of the video? Police have been widely reported to pass around images of women. Why wouldn't untrained randos do the same? Are there any procedural or technical barriers to stop people from copying the video?

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      Dave Id‏ @DaveId 10 Jul 2020

      It's not that it "sounds creepy" or has the potential to become harmful in the future. There are serious real problems as the system exists now. It's not a legitimate response to #BlackLivesMatter or #DefundthePolice. Sadly, @chesaboudin is dipping his toes into the water.

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        2. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 27 Jul 2020

          Yep, SFPD lied to @NellieBowles, knowing full well they were viewing live video feeds. "SFPD received real-time live access to hundreds of cameras as well as a "data dump" of camera footage amid the ongoing demonstrations against police violence." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/07/san-francisco-police-accessed-business-district-camera-network-spy-protestors …

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        3. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 27 Jul 2020

          And, again, @chrislarsensf is lying about all of the "surveillance state without the state" bullshit. His video network is about side-stepping public debate and regulations, not operating without police involvement. Why @NellieBowles bought into that BS is baffling.

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        4. Dave Id‏ @DaveId 29 Jul 2020

          It's not just SFPD illegally accessing the camera network's live feeds, but Homeland Security, too. Of course, Chris "without the state" Larsen is cool with that. He knew full well what he was building and deliberately deceived the public about it.https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/sf-police-under-fire-for-watching-protests-live-on-security-cameras/ …

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