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Trivia-filled, Design Lead at Google, Psychologist, Speaker, Teacher, Author, Motorcyclist, Traveler, Laughs a lot, Opinions are all and always mine.

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    1. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 18

      I've been wanting to talk to numerous people in this and related fields (eg @lizthegrey, @LeaKissner, @avflox, @anildash, and @amac just to name a handful out of dozens) about this question: Is it time for enforceable ethics in CS?

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    2. Nicole Sullivan  💎‏ @stubbornella Mar 18
      Replying to @yonatanzunger @lizthegrey and

      could a union be part of the answer?

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    3. Morten Rand-Hendriksen‏Verified account @mor10 Mar 18
      Replying to @stubbornella @yonatanzunger and

      I think something more akin to professional organization a la engineering / science / medicine is required. Unions don't have enough teeth when it comes to ensuring people are held accountable when they overstep ethical boundaries.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Dale Henry GHOST‏ @dalehenrygeist Mar 18
      Replying to @mor10 @stubbornella and

      How familiar are you with nurses' unions?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Lea Kissner‏ @LeaKissner Mar 18
      Replying to @dalehenrygeist @mor10 and

      Not enough, perhaps. I'm mostly aware that they push for enough time to ensure adequate patient care. Is that what you're referring to?

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Dale Henry GHOST‏ @dalehenrygeist Mar 18
      Replying to @LeaKissner @mor10 and

      OK, my wife just got home and I got a little clarification on the nurses' union. The most salient ethical enforcement comes when the nurse is at odds with a company (hospital, etc.) that's not acting ethically. Protecting whistleblower status, etc. @lhinerfeld

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. Dale Henry GHOST‏ @dalehenrygeist Mar 18
      Replying to @dalehenrygeist @LeaKissner and

      This is, of course, pertinent to the discussion. Designers and engineers at Google, Facebook, and Twitter (to name the most obvious ethically challenged behemoths) could have recourse for challenging unethical directives if protected by a union.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 18
      Replying to @dalehenrygeist @LeaKissner and

      I should say that, at least at Google, there has been very solid recourse for challenging such directives — and at least two people who have done so repeatedly are on this thread. ;)

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. Dale Henry GHOST‏ @dalehenrygeist Mar 18
      Replying to @yonatanzunger @LeaKissner and

      That's a relief to know, truly. At the same time, I wonder whether there are ethical questions at the root of the enterprise, analagous to the pursuit of nuclear fission. When the mission is to know what's in each of our brains...

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    10. Morten Rand-Hendriksen‏Verified account @mor10 Mar 18
      Replying to @dalehenrygeist @yonatanzunger and

      To quote a research psychologist I know: "The stuff you computer people do with data would never be allowed in my profession. I would lose my job."

      3 replies 5 retweets 19 likes
       ⚜️ Dave Hogue  ⚜️‏ @DaveHogue Mar 19
      Replying to @mor10 @dalehenrygeist and

      I've said similar things. It took me months to get IRB reviews and arrivals for small sample, non-invasive human psychology research, and it's just as difficult for animal research. Psychologists have ethics requirements for licensing, too.

      4:48 PM - 19 Mar 2018
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        1. Morten Rand-Hendriksen‏Verified account @mor10 Mar 19
          Replying to @DaveHogue @dalehenrygeist and

          Just rebrand as "UX" and you're clear for launch!pic.twitter.com/eFMal6cYqM

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