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    1. Michael Story  ⚓‏ @MWStory 18 Jul 2021

      Michael Story  ⚓ Retweeted Tom Chivers

      Really interesting how difficult it's been for people to separate their moral intuition and fairness instincts from disease prevention. Widespread belief that fun things somehow "must" be risky, and morally good things "must" be safehttps://twitter.com/TomChivers/status/1416683645616762882 …

      Michael Story  ⚓ added,

      Tom ChiversVerified account @TomChivers
      Subtweet, but I see 18 months into the pandemic we’re still taking disapproving photos of people on crowded beaches. They’re outdoors! It’s good! The virus is not spread by fun!
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      18 replies 84 retweets 358 likes
    2.  🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 18 Jul 2021
      Replying to @MWStory @davidmanheim

      sadly, the asterisk on this is that with the delta variants 1000x viral load, the virus can actually spread outdoors in medium density crowds, so, uhh, be careful out there.

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    3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 18 Jul 2021
      Replying to @DanielleFong @MWStory

      Your display name seems particularly apt, given that the discussion about "1000x higher viral load" is all based on misunderstanding a preprint, which pointed out viral load was higher early in the course of the infection, not that it was higher overall. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21260122v1 … .

      3 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    4. Nicest Snog 🔎‏ @Insect_Song 18 Jul 2021
      Replying to @davidmanheim @DanielleFong @MWStory

      Oh thanks, I've been seeing that claim and hadn't evaluated it.

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       🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 18 Jul 2021
      Replying to @Insect_Song @davidmanheim @MWStory

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      to be clear the preprint doesn’t say it’s *not* higher overall, they just don’t present that datahttps://twitter.com/DanielleFong/status/1416797572144971777 …

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       🤷🏻‍♀️ @DanielleFong
      Replying to @davidmanheim @MWStory
      thanks for the debug, but, er, with this large a Ct difference, and 1000x a viral load for any appreciable point in time, you would think that this really does drive more aggressive disease spread dynamics. even the previous variants & wildtype had major spread early in infection pic.twitter.com/KXemcirO91
      11:54 AM - 18 Jul 2021
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        1. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 18 Jul 2021
          Replying to @DanielleFong @Insect_Song @MWStory

          If their data said it was materially higher overall, they would have mentioned that fact somewhere. And yes, it's more transmissible. We know that from the epidemiological data. But that could be purely from earlier spread / shift in timing, not greater overall viral load.

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