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    1. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      People who think hodlers are the new elites are in a very serious bubble.

      3 replies 1 retweet 41 likes
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    2. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      So a very interesting possibility now is a Baudrillardian possibility: there are no true elites left because *all* elites have been revealed to be cosmetic elites. Simulations of simulations with no “virtues” at any limit points. Kardashians all the way up.

      3 replies 5 retweets 76 likes
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    3. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      In this view to unironically believe in an elite is to unironically believe in a virtue, and be trapped in the associated false consciousness/blue pill. Courage theater, altruism theater, compassion theater, intellect theater, etc etc.

      3 replies 3 retweets 22 likes
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    4. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      This is a kind of nihilism that’s always there among a subset of elites themselves (the “it’s all fake” style of condescension), but is uncommon as a mass attitude. Non-elites tend to hold at least 1-2 elite classes/embodied virtues as actually, unironically sacred.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted David Manheim

      Another interesting proposition. But then I’ve never seen a meme hero like “Chad” either leak out of subcultural zone or clearly map to any real group. Imaginary elites, like wizards?https://twitter.com/davidmanheim/status/1399420136667353092 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      David Manheim @davidmanheim
      Replying to @vgr
      If I wanted "generally unqualified positive societal regard," I'd be the good guy in a new meme format.
      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
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    6. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted Chris Vermilion

      🤔 yeah...https://twitter.com/ChrisVermilion/status/1399419401586216961 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      Chris Vermilion @ChrisVermilion
      Replying to @vgr
      I think an important variant of c) is the history of “mass culture” being written from within the dominant but far from universal culture; it’s much clearer now that there is no coherent “mass” that covers everyone.
      1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
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    7. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted Ted Neward

      I didn’t leave them out. I just don’t consider them elites by any meaningful candidate definition of elites. Historically they were often slaves (eg gladiators, harem entertainers, court jesters). At best they are like divine slaves-to-society like vestal virgins, devdasis etc.https://twitter.com/tedneward/status/1399426669287378948 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      Ted Neward @tedneward
      Replying to @vgr
      Somewhere you left out athletes. And movie stars. And other populist figures.
      3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
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    8. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      They may become true elites if they make a ton of money and retreat from the limelight (a relatively new possibility created by mass media and royalties/residuals/advertising), but so long as they are servants of spotlights rather than masters, they aren’t elites.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
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    9. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted Lily (will not DM you)

      Cute, but no. Every generation has a vanguard ‘cool’ that rides a new medium to assert cultural presence, but it basically has nothing to do with elite roles in society, even if a few get rich.https://twitter.com/nope_its_lily/status/1399394509025275907 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      Lily (will not DM you) @nope_its_lily
      Replying to @vgr
      Tiktok finfluencers duh
      3 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
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    10. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 31 May 2021

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted Andy Raskin

      This is intriguing but I think flawed. Elite-makers are not elites because unlike monarchs of yore, journalists etc cannot guarantee anything. Their influence is unpredictably catalytic rather than determinative. Same goes for algorithms. Maybe Putin/Xi still have such power?https://twitter.com/araskin/status/1399424582008795142 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      Andy Raskin @araskin
      Replying to @vgr
      Proposed elite definition: You're elite if you get to decide who's elite. Then 1965-2015: journalists — and in particular news anchors. 2015-2019: comedians 2020- : Algorithms (which prefer no one to be elite)
      3 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
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       🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 31 May 2021
      Replying to @vgr

      graph elite status of julius caesar during the fall of the republic so i can make sense of this definition. (i’m a fan of ‘it’s always murky’)

      11:30 AM - 31 May 2021
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