all this being said, this is by no means *solely* his fault. what i'm mad about most of all is *both* camps at different points in time willing to pooh-pooh the pandemic to score cheap points. it started with liberals pooh-poohing it, but for the past few months it's the opposite
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Fair on many points; mostly the blase attitude, his role as a figurehead, and cutting pandemic preparedness. Also fair to blame him for government mobilization... kinda. Big chunk of it falls to bureaucratic failure, esp at the state level, + just background American shittiness
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Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion
Lack of PPE / ventilators kinda supports his general anti-globalism argument, though. Super embarrassing that we had to beg for masks and equipment from foreign countries, including China. I think everyone agrees about this now though.
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John Henry Retweeted Oliver Omicronwell
Yeah; polarization needs to die and we need to desperately stop partisanizing every fucking thing. I think every person agrees. Gonna say that Trump and anti-Trump are equally at blame for this, maybe Trump a little more.https://twitter.com/interpretantion/status/1293949013356683267 …
John Henry added,
Oliver Omicronwell @interpretantionReplying to @interpretantion @spiderfoodsall this being said, this is by no means *solely* his fault. what i'm mad about most of all is *both* camps at different points in time willing to pooh-pooh the pandemic to score cheap points. it started with liberals pooh-poohing it, but for the past few months it's the opposite1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
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John Henry Retweeted Oliver Omicronwell
Re: HCQ... This is the critical issue, IMO. If -- IF -- it is shown, beyond doubt, to be substantially effective (say 10% mortality reduction), then ENTIRE narrative of coronavirus changes. Anti-Trump crowd becomes directly responsible for 10k+ deathshttps://twitter.com/interpretantion/status/1293948680677056514 …
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Oliver Omicronwell @interpretantionReplying to @interpretantion @spiderfoodsas for HCQ, i agree that there's been a smear campaign not based in any quest for the truth, but whether or not it works, trump's promotion of it was itself motivated by an agenda of promoting an alleged deus ex machina. so it comes off to me as part of the apathy1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes -
Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion
Imparting intent that he only boosted it for his own ego or whatever seems super weird to me. Seems like he just looked at facts / data coming from other countries, said "hey, this might be good", and then the entire anti-Trump world shifted to "HCQ is dangerous and evil"
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Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion
Now for where I think the anti-Trump crowd *really* fucked up: Nationwide lockdowns were, and are, a complete and utter disaster -- easily worse than coronavirus itself, in my estimation. Especially now that Sweden looks to be achieving herd at only 15 - 20% seroprevalence.
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Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion
really dispute that Sweden is achieving herd immunity, they have other public health interventions, not just herd immunity, test and trace and social distancing and no mass gatherings. no (minimal?) riots / protests, no school also seroprevalance is unclear as a measure
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Replying to @DanielleFong @interpretantion
Sure; and to be fair, I'm super iffy on this, it's a very tough epidemiology question, I know nothing. Mostly going off of what this guy said about it, whose models seem to have been 100% correct so farhttps://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/05/04/qa-nobel-laureate-says-covid-19-curve-could-be-naturally-self-flattening/?fbclid=IwAR1E-ZDlqcLtz0rd2WFBjLa3qPh-Cr0lISp3uxIYbNFjdazTb5c7HX4c_Gw …
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I do think the flurry of concern that "you can't get immunity from covid" early on has died down though with sufficient evidence. Mount Sinai, Lancet studies seem to show pretty standard immunity response.
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I wouldn't say that. It oes serious hard ot the immune system and there are increasing reports of reinfection. There is an immune response but I think the evidence is coming in that it isn't complete for everyone, in which case herd immunity isn't something that will stop it,
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I guess what I'm saying is, does it have a substantially different immunity profile than any other virus? I'm sure normal cold immunity isn't 100% either. & most of them taper off immunity with time, right?
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Replying to @spiderfoods @DanielleFong
Yeah but the common cold isn't nearly as hamrful, so its not an issue that immunity against it is brief
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