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    1. Oliver Omicronwell‏ @interpretantion 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @interpretantion @spiderfoods

      all this being said, this is by no means *solely* his fault. what i'm mad about most of all is *both* camps at different points in time willing to pooh-pooh the pandemic to score cheap points. it started with liberals pooh-poohing it, but for the past few months it's the opposite

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    2. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @interpretantion

      Fair on many points; mostly the blase attitude, his role as a figurehead, and cutting pandemic preparedness. Also fair to blame him for government mobilization... kinda. Big chunk of it falls to bureaucratic failure, esp at the state level, + just background American shittiness

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    3. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion

      Lack of PPE / ventilators kinda supports his general anti-globalism argument, though. Super embarrassing that we had to beg for masks and equipment from foreign countries, including China. I think everyone agrees about this now though.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion

      John Henry Retweeted Oliver Omicronwell

      Yeah; polarization needs to die and we need to desperately stop partisanizing every fucking thing. I think every person agrees. Gonna say that Trump and anti-Trump are equally at blame for this, maybe Trump a little more.https://twitter.com/interpretantion/status/1293949013356683267 …

      John Henry added,

      Oliver Omicronwell @interpretantion
      Replying to @interpretantion @spiderfoods
      all this being said, this is by no means *solely* his fault. what i'm mad about most of all is *both* camps at different points in time willing to pooh-pooh the pandemic to score cheap points. it started with liberals pooh-poohing it, but for the past few months it's the opposite
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    5. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion

      John Henry Retweeted Oliver Omicronwell

      Re: HCQ... This is the critical issue, IMO. If -- IF -- it is shown, beyond doubt, to be substantially effective (say 10% mortality reduction), then ENTIRE narrative of coronavirus changes. Anti-Trump crowd becomes directly responsible for 10k+ deathshttps://twitter.com/interpretantion/status/1293948680677056514 …

      John Henry added,

      Oliver Omicronwell @interpretantion
      Replying to @interpretantion @spiderfoods
      as for HCQ, i agree that there's been a smear campaign not based in any quest for the truth, but whether or not it works, trump's promotion of it was itself motivated by an agenda of promoting an alleged deus ex machina. so it comes off to me as part of the apathy
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    6. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion

      Imparting intent that he only boosted it for his own ego or whatever seems super weird to me. Seems like he just looked at facts / data coming from other countries, said "hey, this might be good", and then the entire anti-Trump world shifted to "HCQ is dangerous and evil"

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    7. Oliver Omicronwell‏ @interpretantion 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods

      i don't mean about his ego. i mean i think that HCQ was another narrative pushed to say "it won't be so bad, look, we already have a cure." the evidence for it is still really mucky both ways, so it seems to push too hard for *or* against it is irresponsible

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    8.  🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @interpretantion @spiderfoods

      yeah it's... it's a heavily studied medicine at this point. the argument at present is, if it works, it works early, not late, and only in combination with zinc and a steriod and if you monitor the heart, which is a lot of conditions. and we haven't done a RCT on it...

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    9. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @DanielleFong @interpretantion

      I think the effectiveness question is still on the table, good arguments for and against. The main irresponsibility from anti-Trump camp, IMO, is pushing how "dangerous" it is. It's not a dangerous medicine, lol. It causes some arrhythmia at stupidly high doses. That's it

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    10. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods @DanielleFong @interpretantion

      And if it has a *reasonable chance* of being effective, it should have been promoted and distributed everywhere. Ultimately this is up to doctors, though, I'm definitely no MD

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       🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 13 Aug 2020
      Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion

      definitely don't think it meets this standard at this point, and only because of this as an extremely politicized issue, the state should run an RCT to settle the damn issue. if there weren't such pressure I'd say reallocate all of the resources to other therapeutics/vaccines

      10:23 AM - 13 Aug 2020
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        2. John Henry‏ @spiderfoods 13 Aug 2020
          Replying to @DanielleFong @interpretantion

          none of the observational stuff is compelling to you? (Obviously, RCTs are the gold standard...) https://hcqtrial.com/ 

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        3.  🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 13 Aug 2020
          Replying to @spiderfoods @interpretantion

          No, this is not compelling to me by itself, waaaaay too many confounding factors.

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