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    1. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted (((David Shor)))

      Any job you could lose over a tweet like this is probably not worth having. I’d expect more critical context in an essay-length review of the paper but this is fine for a tweet.https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/1265998625836019712 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      (((David Shor)))Verified account @davidshor
      Post-MLK-assasination race riots reduced Democratic vote share in surrounding counties by 2%, which was enough to tip the 1968 election to Nixon. Non-violent protests *increase* Dem vote, mainly by encouraging warm elite discourse and media coverage. http://www.omarwasow.com/Protests_on_Voting.pdf …. pic.twitter.com/VRUwnRFuVW
      6 replies 8 retweets 95 likes
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    2. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) Retweeted (((David Shor)))

      This is Shor’s apology tweet, but he lost the job anyway. If you look at the replies to both tweets, what people think is necessary context amounts to an impossible tweet. Forget 280, even 2800 characters would be a tight squeeze for an average writer. https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/1266448606321664004?s=21 …https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/1266448606321664004 …

      Venkatesh Rao (田 ) added,

      (((David Shor)))Verified account @davidshor
      While I strongly admire @owasow ‘s work, it’s clear that I have not been, due to both my background and words, an effective messenger of his findings about the power of non-violent protest. I regret starting this conversation and will be much more careful moving forward. https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/1265998625836019712 …
      2 replies 2 retweets 25 likes
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    3. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      I’m starting to converge on an odd diagnosis of Woke’s basic problem: trying to solve with language problems that are fundamentally not about language. Reality has an enormous amount of detail. There will also be vastly more tgatvremain unsaid than can be said about anything.

      7 replies 7 retweets 80 likes
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    4. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      The challenge of using words well is to direct the benefit of doubt around what remains unsaid in ways that keep the conversation going. But this makes demands on the listener as much as the speaker. I’d like to see people get called out and canceled for “bad listening.”

      1 reply 7 retweets 68 likes
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    5. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      If you want to distort the shape of the space of the unsaid around what’s said to hurt the speaker, it is *always* possible to do so. There’s always a hostile context you could assume. That somebody might do that is a risk you always take on in speaking at all.

      2 replies 5 retweets 51 likes
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    6. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      But it takes a bad listener to materialize that risk. Here, I don’t actually blame the person who called Shor out, or the employer for firing him. They’ve made their choices. I’m saying the caller-outer is not worth accommodating in good faith and the job not worth having.

      2 replies 1 retweet 30 likes
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    7. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      I’ve been saying this in private for a couple of years now — any institution vulnerable to Woke takeover should probably be abandoned to it. Salvage is not possible. Build alternatives anew. Bad Listener destruction is a power-trip drug that resists de-addiction.

      4 replies 7 retweets 44 likes
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    8. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      It got a lot worse for Shor, btw, beyond just losing his job. But I continue to maintain: anything you lose over something like this was never worth having in the first place. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/white-fragility-racism-racism-progressive-progressphiles-david-shor.html …

      2 replies 2 retweets 21 likes
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    9. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 26 Jun 2020

      Funny thing, many people I've been saying this to in private were resisting the conclusion in 2017-18 but now agree with me. They held out hope for a long time that we could save good institutions. I have been arguing that the vulnerability is a sign of non-fixability.

      5 replies 2 retweets 26 likes
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       🤷🏻‍♀️‏ @DanielleFong 26 Jun 2020
      Replying to @vgr

      cc @SamoBurja Venky, I agree, but I think there are some alternative conversational geometries worth exploring / prototyping :D

      9:33 AM - 26 Jun 2020
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