Tenure & promotion policies are a big part of this and that's actually where we started back in 2010 or so with #altmetrics
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Right, also funding, postdoc positions, etc. The big problem is that the demands of individual accountability, of communication, and of gaining knowledge are not inherently aligned, and have become increasingly misaligned, with accountability/personal evaluation dominating.
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Right on the money. Much of the work in reforming research assessment depends on aligning assessment with assessors institutional values, which is why I point towards the social aspects.
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What mechanisms are there to just pay the assessors directly and well to assess? What issues would that bring in?
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I was thinking of universities & funders as the assessors here (should we give Dr. X tenure / give Dr. X vs Y this grant), but assuming you meant peer reviewers:https://twitter.com/mrgunn/status/1268274993101602816?s=19 …
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Dr. Gunn @mrgunnReplying to @Meaningness @nabeelquThe first is still holding up according to Pew. The second... well, it's about incentives. You want people who are motivated to improve the science to be doing reviews. As soon as you put a price on it, intrinsic motivation goes away. Some experiments with credits@CollabraOA2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Doesn’t this argument “prove too much”? The same reasoning says no one should be paid for any sort of creative work
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Sort of a combo of “but you love drawing” and “do it for the exposure” for why you should make my logo for me for free I’m not 100% wrong, artists love making art, but paying them for it certainly seems to increase quality to a point
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There’s tradeoffs; optimizing for financial success doesn’t necessarily produce the best art/fiction/music/software. But unpaid amateurs mostly also don’t.
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Right: when there’s money to be made folks flock in and a lot of work aims for the minimum viable product. But the best is also made by well paid pros who actually care
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PhD candidates: 1) yet to establish strong social and political allegiances 2) more likely pure in reasons for contributing to science 3) least capable of heading up novel research that mature researchers would like to be working on; seem like an ideal force for review. offbase?
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