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Alec Muffett
@AlecMuffett
Replying to
@DanielMicay
Actually, I am just saying: if you want to win, make the speech illegal in the USA and then exactly as-per FOSTA impacted Switter, then Cloudflare should be forced to act. And when you do, keep an eye on the likely unintended consequences.
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Alec Muffett
@AlecMuffett
Replying to @DanielMicay and @jevinskie
Ah, a negative space argument - by allowing it, it's not protected speech; the confusion comes from me believing that all speech is protected unless it is otherwise. Find laws that make it illegal. Apply them in the USA. Then Cloudflare will surely apply their terms of service.
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Daniel Micay
@DanielMicay
Replying to
@AlecMuffett
Engaging in harassment campaigns against people with doxxing, threats, libel, etc. and doing swatting, etc. is not legal. The content on Kiwi Farms is clearly not legal. Kiwi Farms doesn't have a lack of moderation or something like that. Kiwi Farms are the ones orchestrating it.
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Daniel Micay
@DanielMicay
Replying to
@AlecMuffett
Kiwi Farms is openly involved in the doxxing, harassment, threats, swatting, etc. which happen on their site. They openly encourage / support it in their chat rooms and even on the forum. They aren't simply providing a platform for it. They even pick some targets as a site.
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Daniel Micay
@DanielMicay
Replying to
@DanielMicay
and
@AlecMuffett
Why does Cloudflare consider Kiwi Farms openly doing doxxing / harassment / libel campaigns against trans and autistic people to be valid content for their services, but if I report a spam site they'll drop it within hours or days? There is no law requiring Cloudflare to do that.
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Martyn Hare
@MartynHare
Replying to
@DanielMicay
and
@AlecMuffett
Cloudflare banned The Daily Stormer for implying that the service might support their racist opinions. Yet, they stand by Kiwifarms when users (including the owner) repeatedly try to get people to kill themselves. I'd respect them if they were a neutral carrier but they aren't.
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Daniel Micay
@DanielMicay
Replying to
@MartynHare
and
@AlecMuffett
Cloudflare says that the hosting companies providing origin servers to sites are the ones responsible for the content and people should contact them. Cloudflare stops you from finding out the origin server hosting used by a site with their service. It largely exists to do that.
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Daniel Micay
@DanielMicay
Replying to
@DanielMicay
@MartynHare
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@AlecMuffett
Their claims about what their service provides are completely disingenuous. Cloudflare hosts the content for sites behind their web reverse proxy. They cache it on the edge nodes around the world and support serving it from that cache past expiry if the origin server goes down.
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Daniel Micay
@DanielMicay
Replying to
@DanielMicay
@MartynHare
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@AlecMuffett
In order for Cloudflare's DDoS mitigation to work properly, the origin server IPs need to be kept hidden. This masks who is hosting the origin servers and Cloudflare makes that difficult to determine to obstruct the due process they say they want people to use instead.
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