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I haven't heard these claims that Cloudflare regularly drops customers, and I'm not sure they're true, though I'd be interested to read a list of occasions. The claim that Cloudflare supports the content on kiwi farms, though, is absurd.

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Daniel Micay

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Aug 31

Cloudflare does FAR MORE content moderation than required by law. They aren't a free speech host. They remove speech they disagree with every day. They host Kiwi Farms because they support the content on it. They dropped sites used by sex workers because they consider it immoral.

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They've dropped tons of customers. They did a mass purge of sites associated with sex workers among many others. You can find lots of information on it easily: twitter.com/DanielMicay/st Not sure what's absurd about pointing out they regularly remove content they find immoral.

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Sep 1

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One of the sex worker sites they banned from their main services was just a Mastadon instance for sex workers to talk to each other (Switter). They banned that, but not Kiwi Farms. theverge.com/2018/4/19/1725 Government never ordered them to ban this. It was entirely their choice.

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Yeah this seems like fear about legal liability bc of FOSTA. The fact you perceive it as merely an excuse doesn't make it so. I point out that claiming they support kiwi farms is absurd, bc once you notice your theory has absurd conclusions, that's evidence against the other ones

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They host content for the Taliban and many other US sanctioned entities. They host Kiwi Farms. They aren't afraid of legal liability for it. They make it clear in their own post they do not consider themselves liable for the content for their caching reverse proxy / firewall.

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do you think they support the taliban?

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They consider the Taliban's content more valid than spam they remove hourly which is saying something. They materially support them. Their ideology is that it's valid political speech, and they support that, which is what I was saying about how they view Kiwi Farms.

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If I were offer a free http caching service, I'd be concerned about assholes who try to DoS that service by filling my cache with automatically generated spam. Using just my home internet hookup I could claim 1 PB of their cache in 100 days.

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Idk what their spam policy is, but there is a type of spam that's threatening to their business.

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Hosting Kiwi Farms is threatening their business far more than providing services to sites with auto-generated SEO spam they purge. They already removed the Daily Stormer, 8chan and many other sites. Removing Kiwi Farms would not be setting a new precedent usable against them.

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They're not doing this for money. Kiwi Farms may even be using the Free tier and there's no way they're using the Enterprise tier. Cloudflare seems to imply they're going to be donating money paid to them by Kiwi Farms too. I take the CEO at his word that he believes it's right.

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What I meant in the tweet you quoted is that Cloudflare supports Kiwi Farms being able to do what they do because they consider it valid political speech. They don't believe in standing behind all content, only some kinds of content which falls under what they consider valid.

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Spam doesn't fall under what they consider valid content. If you posted the personal information for Cloudflare employees, do you think Cloudflare would allow you to use their service in front of it? Maybe they actually would for some employees, but not the CEO and his family.

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Kiwi Farms is probably not stupid enough to allow people to create threads about people who work there but you never know. I think their stance would change pretty fast, just as it did when the Daily Stormer started shit talking Cloudflare's CEO and then got removed the next day.