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Right now, my best option seems to be LineageOS (A12-based) anyway. But it would be nice to have the option to use/try Graphene again without it damaging my phone (which is what I consider burning the fuse for now). Couldn't it be an option the user gets prompted to approve?

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Giving the user a choice doesn't weaken it. Users can still choose to burn their fuse. The other day,

@GrapheneOS

told me they're not anti-owner-control, but forcing an irreversible fuse burn on users when it would be easy to give an option, doesn't reflect that...

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There is no way to provide an option for that. It's a necessary step as part of securing the platform. End users don't get a choice about moving to Android 13 if they want security updates, regardless of what OS you run.

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Aug 17

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@alex_foerstel

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The OS is what burns the fuse. It should be entirely possible to remove that code, and make it conditional on a post-installation prompt. If the user says "no", they can still use the modified Android 13 without burning the fuse.

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We aren't going to disable a security fix that has no impact on end users.

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@LukeDashjr

Aug 17

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@alex_foerstel

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It has a huge impact.

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@LukeDashjr

Aug 17

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@LukeDashjr

@flawedworlddev and 3 others

For example, this means I cannot even _try_ GrapheneOS anymore, without losing my ability to keep using LineageOS if I change my mind.

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Android 12.1 boots with Android 13 SoC firmware. The reason you can't flash stock Android 12.1 factory images is because flashing factory images for stock OS or GrapheneOS also flashes all of the firmware. They said they may make a new Android 12.1 release with updated firmware.

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Flashing factory images updates the SoC and radio firmware followed by flashing the OS, and it checks to make sure that the matching firmware version has been flashed. It is possible to manually flash the OS images and it will boot, but the OS wasn't tested to work with that.

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