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i have to say i am disappointed to see the EFF defend a project that is literally money laundering as a service, but i'm not surprised given the direction of the organization in recent years.

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EFF takes Zcash donations including via a shielded address (eff.org/pages/other-wa). Tornado Cash is essentially a port of Zcash shielded transactions to an Ethereum smart contract. It's be pretty hypocritical to use it but not speak out when devs get arrested for writing it.

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lets be clear here. the devs are not being arrested for writing code. they are being arrested for standing up a service which allows sanctioned entities to launder funds, which is actually a crime

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Tornado Cash isn't a service they hosted and still works despite being sanctioned by OFAC. EFF has an Ethereum address posted there and has received money which went through Tornado Cash. Their address is one of many now blocked by services strangely interpreting it that way.

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Tornado Cash isn't any different from Zcash shielded pools. The same reasoning could be applied to Zcash, Monero and other private cryptocurrencies. They're doing the same thing as the Tornado Cash developers: publishing software usable by anyone for making private transactions.

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#Zcash isnt a mixer, Thats not how #Zcash works. TC is a mixer. It takes many ppls funds and 'mixes' them in one big pool. Then disburses other ppls eth to other ppl. Every $ZEC is private and is exactly like all other ZEC in the pool but you dont get other ppls $ZEC.....

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yeah my understanding of $ZEC shielded addresses is that they are not mixing other people's funds. they have thought about this problem, at least from reading the various papers on the topic.

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Tornado Cash wasn't taken down because of a low-level technical detail about how the Ethereum smart contract worked. There's not any meaningful distinction between the Tornado Cash contract and Zcash shielded pools. It's certainly not one that matters in this legal context.

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and other technical people who work on Zcash think there's a meaningful legal distinction between Tornado Cash with Zcash? Tornado Cash isn't comparable to something like CoinJoin on Bitcoin or traditional mixers. It also doesn't reply on some kind of hosted service.