there's matrix, which is also kind of aggravating to use, but at least the people who develop matrix clients actually care about them being good
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We've tried to make Matrix work for GrapheneOS but it's honestly quite terrible and causes substantial issues.
Official server implementation has terrible performance and reliability, E2E encryption has major issues with usability / reliability and the IRC bridge isn't great.
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Some of the developers don't want to deal with the lag, etc. anymore which has fragmented our internal chats. Maybe we'll just move back to doing everything with IRC.
Quite glad that our official chat rooms are actually IRC channels so they keep working when Matrix has issues.
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In particular, this really bothers me: github.com/matrix-org/mat. I feel bad whenever it goes through another round of kicking all the lurkers. It will be better when matrix.org deploys the new code with read receipt checks but it's still far from ideal.
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there really shouldn’t be lag or perf issues these days, since matrix.org/blog/2020/11/0. Agreed that kicking idle conns from irc is very annoying but freenode kinda forced our hand. unsure if switching to RRs will fix it. sorry you’re having issues though; we don’t want to suck :(
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It's less bad than it was, but definitely still noticing frequent spikes of very high latency.
I use matrix.org as my home server right now but I hear the same things from many others. Love the concept of Matrix but lots of issues in practice.
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are you seeing latency in the homeserver or the IRC bridge? server latency is really quite robust for the last month or so - much more so than typical network latency, for instance. (wondering if you might be seeing a bad network path, for instance; the server is in UK fwiw)
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Mostly with the homeserver. Often have noticeable latency sending messages. Lots of others seem to have the same issues. Varies by homeserver.
The IRC bridge doesn't seem to cause many additional problems, other than issues with it being a leaky mapping between Matrix and IRC.
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Main annoyance with IRC bridge is that it has no concept of ChanServ and NickServ, so you don't automatically get administrative privileges and it doesn't stay in sync. Haven't really noticed any frequent issues of lag tied to that. On rare occasions it totally breaks, not often.
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Definitely experience regular lag sending messages though. Keep receiving messages (could all be old) but it can take many seconds to send messages. Pretty tempted to try hosting a server to see if that avoids these issues. Painful to fully migrate to another right now though.
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We've had a couple of our developers stop wanting to use Matrix because of the lag with sending messages. It's hard to tell if it's an issue with receiving them too. Significant lag sending messages is pretty unbearable for real-time chat and it's near unusable when it happens.
Unless you start treating it as email and write long messages without expecting a real-time response, I guess.
We like using Matrix for internal end-to-end discussion rooms. It's not really going well though. Might have to move some to IRC and give up on E2E encryption for it.
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Part of the issue is now we'd have to convince a couple people who stopped using Matrix to come back and give it another try. So, I could host our own server and ask them to give it another try with that, but if they just get really annoyed with it again, going to have to switch.