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i'm honestly done with signal. it's the worst messenger i've ever used and it's led by a person whose decisions i no longer trust
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there's matrix, which is also kind of aggravating to use, but at least the people who develop matrix clients actually care about them being good
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We've tried to make Matrix work for GrapheneOS but it's honestly quite terrible and causes substantial issues.
Official server implementation has terrible performance and reliability, E2E encryption has major issues with usability / reliability and the IRC bridge isn't great.
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Some of the developers don't want to deal with the lag, etc. anymore which has fragmented our internal chats. Maybe we'll just move back to doing everything with IRC.
Quite glad that our official chat rooms are actually IRC channels so they keep working when Matrix has issues.
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In particular, this really bothers me: github.com/matrix-org/mat. I feel bad whenever it goes through another round of kicking all the lurkers. It will be better when matrix.org deploys the new code with read receipt checks but it's still far from ideal.
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there really shouldn’t be lag or perf issues these days, since matrix.org/blog/2020/11/0. Agreed that kicking idle conns from irc is very annoying but freenode kinda forced our hand. unsure if switching to RRs will fix it. sorry you’re having issues though; we don’t want to suck :(
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It's less bad than it was, but definitely still noticing frequent spikes of very high latency.
I use matrix.org as my home server right now but I hear the same things from many others. Love the concept of Matrix but lots of issues in practice.
Maybe we should host our own server for our developers.
Our public rooms for GrapheneOS are the standard bridged channels to the freenode on matrix.org. Maybe we should have done that another way. It seemed like the best approach to avoid fragmentation though.
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are you seeing latency in the homeserver or the IRC bridge? server latency is really quite robust for the last month or so - much more so than typical network latency, for instance. (wondering if you might be seeing a bad network path, for instance; the server is in UK fwiw)
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Mostly with the homeserver. Often have noticeable latency sending messages. Lots of others seem to have the same issues. Varies by homeserver.
The IRC bridge doesn't seem to cause many additional problems, other than issues with it being a leaky mapping between Matrix and IRC.
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