Tip: if you're using Gmail for mail on your own domain, change your MX records to mx[1-4].smtp.goog to get DNSSEC+DANE protection on your email.
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It's just DNSSEC without DANE right now. If a lot more people use it, maybe they'll take that as a signal for people wanting DANE and add records. It would be really easy for them. Can set up MTA-STS with it though, and DNSSEC makes that work better than just Trust On First Use.
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Oh weird, I thought it had DANE too... Am I misremembering or is there a different domain that does?
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I don't think they have TLSA records for their mail servers. They could easily add them, especially since they use the same TLS infrastructure they do elsewhere and they use pinning for their web sites, update servers, etc. via pinning the valid CAs for their properties.
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There's a good chance they would be completely willing to add TLSA records to those if someone got in touch with the right person and communicated it properly, especially mentioning the similarity to the pinning they use elsewhere.
Maybe bring up Microsoft's embrace of DNSSEC + DANE. G Suite customers just need to start asking for it and making a good case for it (mention pinning they use elsewhere including web sites, update_engine and so on + Microsoft's Outlook annoucement, etc.).
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This, but with the added point that DANE is *mandatory* for gov use in some European countries.
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