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> the most degoogled AOSP version on the market AOSP doesn't have Google apps and services in the first place. GrapheneOS is a privacy/security research and engineering project, not a "degoogling" project. I think you're confused about what the project develops and provides.

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I ain't confused. I love the idea behind the project. Not being a developer, I'm worried about is google phone and google's power to plant something on a hardware level. Another question. How can I contribute to the project?

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> Not being a developer, I'm worried about is google phone and google's power to plant something on a hardware level. I don't understand your tunnel vision focus on Google. There are a bunch of companies involved in manufacturing any given smartphone. Foxconn assembles them.

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What kind of hardware is it you want supported that would make you feel better? I can't think of anything that would be more trustworthy, and anything else would offer less privacy/security. So far, no one has even identified another device with non-broken support for other OSes.

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It doesn't appear that there are going to be many options suitable for GrapheneOS. Custom hardware would be nice, but there are still going to be a bunch of trusted parties involved in manufacturing components along with the manufacturer. It would mostly be a reference design.

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A benefit of custom hardware would be for GrapheneOS to have control over SoC firmware, which would reduce attack surface and allow lower-level hardening. It would be possible to make some changes improving hardware security but it would be difficult just to match Pixel security.

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In all likelihood, an initial GrapheneOS device would be less secure than Pixels rather than more secure, because it would start as a barebones SoC reference design with a lot of work to do in order to catch up to Pixel security let alone overtaking it. That's also very far away.

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If you want that to happen, you should start contributing substantial time, money or other resources to the project. It's currently an extremely distant prospect due to how little support the project receives. Lots of users / complaints but extremely few contributions/supporters.