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Also, from my perspective as a long-time follower of both of you for different reasons, it clearly went wrong around this sequence of events:
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Replying to @DanielMicay @BrendanEich and @bcrypt
Hmm - publicly calling out a project as nefarious absent any evidence / rationale, getting a strong response from project team, then dismissing it as 'whining' and doubling-down on 'scumbags' language all seems very bad faith tbh.
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That's not what you are doing. You keep misrepresenting my statements and trying to spin them into something else. You were largely the one that created this conflict by going out of your way to troll. My issues with Brave after this conversation are 100-fold what they were.
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It was a stretch to take your initial 2 tweets as a good faith attempt to communicate but I did that and started elaborating before having Brendan come here explicitly not wanting to hear what I wanted to say and just repeating nonsense over & over and arguing word definitions.
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I will definitely be writing about Brave's messed up ad system, cryptocurrency, ICO launch, and the usage of DRM to try to make it work. I usually don't have the motivation to write blog posts rather than tweets and comments that are less formal and don't require extensive work.
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twitter.com/justsee/status Comment #1 trying to make my criticism of software into a personal jab at someone that works on security even though the problems are largely not their fault and may have fought against things I disagree with all the way.
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What are the serious issues with security, how are they any different to every other software-at-scale project and how has @bcrypt unsatisfactorily dealt w them?
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I didn't say it currently has major security issues but that it has had them and they were majorly self-inflicted wounds with obviously terrible design decisions. As I hinted at elsewhere I dislike the overly complex maze of commits and messy ways they approach things in general.
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Comment #2: twitter.com/justsee/status I said it's "starting to seem nefarious" which is not saying that they are literally malicious people but that it's starting to seem that way externally. The attempt at justifying it just reinforced that and I'd word it way stronger now...
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How is their intent nefarious? Have seen a lot of vague attempts at casting shade on @BrendanEich project with nothing of substance. Criticism of monetising content is criticism of entire internet industry, not particular to Brave? In that context theirs seems like better model?
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"Criticism of monetising content is criticism of entire internet industry" is clearly not the case, and is just you spinning and misrepresenting what I said from the start. I didn't criticize monetizing content. This is where you ping him, so he saw this first, not my tweets.
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I could go through all the comments in this thread. I can make a clear case for the concern trolling, the incredible levels of dishonesty, misrepresentations and ridiculous spin by Brendan, baseless accusations of me being the one doing it and more. Maybe I'll make a post on it.
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Not the entire topic of it, but one part of it. I think it's very interesting that the talking point spin matches what journalists repeated in articles about Brave, since many journalists / publications are happy to act as mouthpieces for press releases and question nothing.
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I see now that there is some legal or ethical justification for how certain things are done that depends on coming up with very specific ways of spinning things. Maybe that's to avoid getting kicked out of the Play Store for violating the policies, which it probably does do.