This is such a tragedy. Why did this have to start out so bitter and adversarial? You are both good people trying to do the right thing.
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You can see where it starts down the wrong path at twitter.com/justsee/status where someone tries to make criticizing the project into a personal attack on and then claims I am casting shade on with a ping to bring him into the conversation. Clear concern troll.
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I apologised for poor wording. As I said, I'm just an end-user who was interested in your / Brendan / Yan's discussion on this.
Don't appreciate the concern troll label just because I was trying to understand logical positions, challenge logical contradictions.
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Also, from my perspective as a long-time follower of both of you for different reasons, it clearly went wrong around this sequence of events:
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That's not what you are doing. You keep misrepresenting my statements and trying to spin them into something else. You were largely the one that created this conflict by going out of your way to troll. My issues with Brave after this conversation are 100-fold what they were.
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It was a stretch to take your initial 2 tweets as a good faith attempt to communicate but I did that and started elaborating before having Brendan come here explicitly not wanting to hear what I wanted to say and just repeating nonsense over & over and arguing word definitions.
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I will definitely be writing about Brave's messed up ad system, cryptocurrency, ICO launch, and the usage of DRM to try to make it work. I usually don't have the motivation to write blog posts rather than tweets and comments that are less formal and don't require extensive work.
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twitter.com/justsee/status
Comment #1 trying to make my criticism of software into a personal jab at someone that works on security even though the problems are largely not their fault and may have fought against things I disagree with all the way.
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I didn't say it currently has major security issues but that it has had them and they were majorly self-inflicted wounds with obviously terrible design decisions. As I hinted at elsewhere I dislike the overly complex maze of commits and messy ways they approach things in general.
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Comment #2:
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I said it's "starting to seem nefarious" which is not saying that they are literally malicious people but that it's starting to seem that way externally. The attempt at justifying it just reinforced that and I'd word it way stronger now...
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Replying to @justsee @DanielMicay and @bcrypt
How is their intent nefarious? Have seen a lot of vague attempts at casting shade on @BrendanEich project with nothing of substance.
Criticism of monetising content is criticism of entire internet industry, not particular to Brave? In that context theirs seems like better model?
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"Criticism of monetising content is criticism of entire internet industry" is clearly not the case, and is just you spinning and misrepresenting what I said from the start. I didn't criticize monetizing content. This is where you ping him, so he saw this first, not my tweets.
I could go through all the comments in this thread. I can make a clear case for the concern trolling, the incredible levels of dishonesty, misrepresentations and ridiculous spin by Brendan, baseless accusations of me being the one doing it and more. Maybe I'll make a post on it.
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Not the entire topic of it, but one part of it. I think it's very interesting that the talking point spin matches what journalists repeated in articles about Brave, since many journalists / publications are happy to act as mouthpieces for press releases and question nothing.
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> Monetizing other people's content was always sketchy
It's not hard for any neutral reader to see the point I was making in relation to your comment, pointing out that if monetising other peoples content is sketchy, well that's the whole internet.
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Not sure why you'd think anyone would buy the attempt to paint me as some random dishonest internet troll, rather than an interested party who makes no apologies for being vocal about any contradictions I see.
I could of course be wrong / stupid / lacking context w my criticisms
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