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I think it bites off more than it can chew. It's great to do things like zero copy parsing with string views when you actually have memory safe, but it's horrifying in C++. It would be horrifying in C too but I don't see people doing this kind of stuff pervasively.
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C++ lets people use super dangerous abstractions in a way that looks very clean and safe. A lot of modern C++ is extremely dangerous despite seeming very high level and concise. It just isn't suited for the code styles that people are using (lots of closures, iterators, etc.).
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Except that unique_ptr is still completely unsafe due to use-after-free via references, use-after-move and null pointer dereferences. Avoiding memory leaks is a separate thing from memory safety. Implicit destruction in a language without memory safety encourages use-after-free.
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It's a lot different in Rust where the language enforces memory safety and prevents dangling references (including iterators, string views, etc. and anything else made out of lightweight references), use-after-free, data races and so on. Fancy C++ encourages having these issues.
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Yes, you're missing something. It clearly does absolutely nothing to prevent NULL dereferences or use-after-move so lets skip those. To use unique_ptr, you need to copy from it or get a reference. That reference isn't safe, and std::unique_ptr will still free with it active.
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Why would you be using std::unique_ptr in the first place if you just want a value to copy around? That wouldn't make any sense. It's used to manage the lifetime of a dynamic allocation, where you are using it via references, not copying the contents out for every single use.
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Similarly, for std::shared_ptr, you are still going to be using references to it, including mutable references, which are extremely dangerous in C++ since they can invalidate other references to the contents by changing the length of a container, a dynamic type, variant type, etc
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Weak pointers also make things even more unsafe for similar reasons as the baseline with unique pointers and shared pointers. Same applies to types like std::string. You have automatic free at end of scope, even after you've taken references / string views. Fundamental issue.
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And yet, with no get(), and only using the uniq_ptr directly, you avoid a whole class of problem, and you still convey the ownership information to the reader. You can still move ownership to other class. I can't see how it happen when using raw ptr only at the uniq_ptr scope.
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