ok after reading this thread:
stackoverflow.com/questions/1621
I answered most of the question myself. But still I would be interested to hear your opinion.
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It's not useful in the real world so it makes no sense to include it. Exposing root to the application layer would be a substantial security loss too. It fails to offer any value to make up for that beyond appearing to be useful to people that don't know any better. It isn't.
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or even silent sms. I'm glad I asked you. I was sure you would have something to say about the security loss. Just wasn't sure what it would be
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It's snake oil. The network can't be trusted, whether or not there's local interception. Use encrypted messaging and encrypted calls. If you don't want to be tracked by your carrier and others, you inherently need to turn on airplane mode. Silent SMS is not a real world concern.
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It simply doesn't matter. Can you explain why these things are a real world issue? You can be tracked by the carrier without sending an SMS. It doesn't matter if it's silent or not, that only controls whether it will be displayed as user-facing. What about that makes it worse?
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I agree 100% with you that the network can't be trusted. I only use signal for communication over ivpn. No other ways. My idea with snoopsnitch was to be informed about targeted surveillance.
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For example you are a journalist in some shady democracy and they decide to investigate you. Like to get your phone number. If you are with a burner number the telco doesn't have it tied to your name. So when they wan't to track you. They have to use an imsi catcher first
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if I understand it right. The baseband has knowledge about the 3 towers you are connected too. And it knows the distance. When in your home area a new tower pops up 30 meters away from you. And there is a van sitting in front of your house. You'll get informed about this imsi
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These apps have false positives and I think they cause far more harm than good. I don't see the benefit. Requiring root to be exposed to the application layer rather than having it properly implemented is also completely unacceptable for any serious real world usage.
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No, they don't have to do that... you are just not thinking it through. There is no reason for the government to do what you're saying in your scenario. They can go through the carrier. You aren't going to get a positive response from me about this.
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For example you are a journalist in some shady democracy and they decide to investigate you. Like to get your phone number. If you are with a burner number the telco doesn't have it tied to your name. So when they wan't to track you. They have to use an imsi catcher first
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I've already thought it through and talked to many people about it. The consensus among informed people is that it's not useful in the real world, and the apps providing it are too fragile with many false positives. Of course, there's also no modem debugging in production builds.