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    1. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      Now you're getting it!

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    2. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      Right, so you are completely denying the ordinary sense of real, reality, objectivity, and you will go on to deal with things in the world as if they have their own objective existence anyways. This is false consciousness.

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    3. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      You've made a reductio of this train of philosophical thought because you have come up with statements that are entirely in contradiction with what you started your philosophical investigation on in the first place

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    4. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      Where are the contradictions?

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    5. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      I can make objective claims about reality such as "this chair exists". No, an alien would not perceive a chair there. There is no existing chair there, but only undifferentiated matter, the chair is just interpretation in your mind.

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    6. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      In fact saying that there is undifferentiated matter is also incorrect because it relies on our idea of matter and this perceptual idea of something being undifferentiated. There is then no true statement you can make about the universe, it's all interpretation

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    7. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      The "undifferentiated matter" is just the collection of atoms in the universe without trying to classify them into objects. The classification into objects is done in the mind (and the way the atoms clump together in our universe makes this job very easy, thankfully)

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    8. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      It's not atoms, because you can differentiate atoms out from the rest of the matter. Atoms are as in-your-mind as chairs are. Atomness is still x-ness for some x which is always interpretation and always in the mind.

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    9. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      And you can't swap atoms with something else because that will still be x-ness whose existence is established by our experimental procedures upon the world. We can also never be certain when we hit bottom. Chairs to atoms is a continuum, physics isn't a separate magesterium.

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    10. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      I am leaving open the possibility that there is a level below what I am calling the lowest level of physics, whether that is atoms or QFT or whatever. The point is, the entire universe seems to behave in accordance with the rules of that level. If there is a lower level, that 1/2

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      Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      lower level just results in the behavior of the QFT/GR/whatever level. It can't *contradict* the QFT level (cf. The Relativity of Wrong). And since everything above the QFT level is explainable in terms of QFT, everything is "screened off" from lower levels.

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        2. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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          Yes, so this "bottom level" where reality exclusively sits is necessarily unknowable, so you cannot say anything about reality. You only have these subjective higher-level interpretations like atomic theory

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        3. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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          I never claimed that reality exclusively sits at this "lowest level". Reality is what it is, dependent of the level you look at it on. Nevertheless, higher levels supervene on lower levels.

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