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    1. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      A mind that lives on the substrate of organic molecules can be the same mind as one that lives on a substrate of silicon or a mind that lives in a universe with different physics. The atoms are not an essential property of the mind.

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    2. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      Just as how the chairness of a chair has nothing to do with the specific particular materials that chair is made of, only general requirements for the materials.

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    3. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      And yet, the atoms of the chair come together to be a chair, merely by following their own laws. Multiple systems can give rise to the same mind; this does not imply that those systems are doing anything than following their usual laws.

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    4. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      The chairness is not in the atoms, but in the form and function of the thing that they compose, and the reality of its form and function cannot be reduced to the atoms. Knowing only about the atoms doesn't let you point to chairs or talk a out how to use them.

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    5. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      The chairness of the collection of atoms exists in the mind of the person looking at it. An alien with no limbs would have no concept of chairness and would never see one the way we do.

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    6. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      And that alien would simply not know about chairs, rather than some awkward notion of the chair existing for us and not for them. "The atomness of atoms exists in the mind of the person" "the x-ness of the fundamental building block of the universe exists in the mind..."

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    7. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      This implies there is no substance in the world (no x-ness for any x), only undifferentiated matter of which nothing objective can be said.

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    8. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      Now you're getting it!

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    9. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      Right, so you are completely denying the ordinary sense of real, reality, objectivity, and you will go on to deal with things in the world as if they have their own objective existence anyways. This is false consciousness.

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    10. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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      You've made a reductio of this train of philosophical thought because you have come up with statements that are entirely in contradiction with what you started your philosophical investigation on in the first place

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      Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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      Where are the contradictions?

      12:47 PM - 3 Oct 2018
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        2. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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          My point is, if I start from my fundamental premise that everything arises from the laws of physics, I end up with a world full of people who see meaning, purpose, chairness, etc. I don't need to add anything extra on top of physics to get these.

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        3. Curl Of Gradient‏ @CurlOfGradient 3 Oct 2018
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          I believe that purpose, meaning, chairness, and all those things exist in your head. I am not saying they aren't *real*, any more than computer programs aren't *real*. Just because they exist in your head doesn't mean they aren't important.

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        2. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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          I can make objective claims about reality such as "this chair exists". No, an alien would not perceive a chair there. There is no existing chair there, but only undifferentiated matter, the chair is just interpretation in your mind.

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        3. Referent Of Self‏ @ReferentOfSelf 3 Oct 2018
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          In fact saying that there is undifferentiated matter is also incorrect because it relies on our idea of matter and this perceptual idea of something being undifferentiated. There is then no true statement you can make about the universe, it's all interpretation

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