Circumcision shows us some of the flaws in being human, our primitive need to form tribes and rituals for survival, and left us with harmful relics which are difficult to abandon because unconsciously it feels like we will threaten our survival if we give them up #i2
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I think you and I are talking about different things, we're not on the same wave length, I was trying to make a psychological point which is what I know a little bit about, you make valid points, but I'm not thinking along those lines, I'm getting a headache so will finish
yes, i have heard immigrants to USA claim that circumcision was part of their USA identity (it was done to them post-1945)--while people whose families lived in USA for generations were uncircumcised