I want to be clear as I start this thread that I am NOT (NOT! NOT! NOT! NOT!) saying that people should be more sympathetic to the poor beleaguered incels. Incels are awful people who have embraced a toxic ideology. The don't deserve your sympathy, and will use it against you.
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But a core part of "incel" ideation is that they are outcasts, and looked down on by society, because they are low-value 'beta males' who have no value. To be an incel is to believe yourself to be a victim of undue scorn because of unalterable characteristics.
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Mocking incels as being losers, babies, basement-dwellers, neckbeards, and rejects doesn't have any effect on them because THEY ALREADY KNOW YOU SEE THEM THAT WAY. That is, in fact, their organizing principle.
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Holding them up for ridicule only serves to deepen their belief that the world is against them, and that 'normies' see them as worthless. It deepens their hatred and sense of isolation and persecution.
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For the vast majority of "incels", I suspect that their self-loathing and arrogance (a weird combo, to be sure) is a better explanation for their social isolation than "Stacys only want to fuck Chads", but extremist ideologies aren't concerned with finding empirical truth, so...
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But that's also why extending sympathy isn't the right approach either. They will, in my experience, see it either as pity (which feeds their narrative) or acceptance of their beliefs (which feeds their self-righteousness).
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The only thing that's ever worked for me is to attack the pillars of their belief system relentlessly. It's based on some pretty simple and disprovable axioms, rooted in gender essentialism and stereotypes.
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Mock their beliefs. Not the people who hold them. They think they are in possession of Deep Important Truths(tm). They do NOT like it when those Truths are revealed to be vapid, or when they are treated as the childish nonsense they are.
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But if (/when) the narrative becomes about how incels are losers who can't get laid, it will only serve to confirm their belief that masculinity is about domination and sexual conquest, and that society looks down on men who can't achieve those things.
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I would also, just as a matter of tactics, suggest that you never allow yourself to be drawn in to a 'debate' with an "incel". They've put more time than you can fathom into confirming their beliefs. Talking ABOUT them is fine. Talking TO them is a monumental waste of time.
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I also this this piece by
@DrNerdLove is essential reading to understand the specific pain and fear that drives "incels" and a lot of men who are sympathetic to their arguments:http://www.doctornerdlove.com/fear-of-being-invisible/ …Show this thread
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Thanks for this, this is the best thread I’ve read about this in ages
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Thanks, I'm glad you found it helpful.
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It was bound to happen, once their existence became known. The incels have brought it upon themselves. They want to be hated, as much they hate themselves
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If that's the case, I still don't think it's a good idea to blindly play into their games for a cheap laugh. Stakes are too high for that.
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What about A.I Robots companions....can we use incels as test objects for interaction ? They can be the targeted market for such project.
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A.I. waifus.
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You've absolutely hit the nail on the head about incels. Even though they hate the term, they are basically living examples of how toxic masculinity is bad for men. Mocking them for being virgin losers only reinforces that a man's true status comes from his success with women.
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not sure why you’re in my mentions when i’ve already said i’m not walking it back. i’m going to block you if you @ me again about this.
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