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Not to be confused with 2001 Nobel Peace Prize winner Kofi Annan. 54th Clause of the Magna Carta absolutist. Commentary from an NRx perspective.

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    1. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @CovfefeAnon @robbensinger

      If a "war band" is just anything targetable & destructive, the answer is probably going to be nanobot disassemblers. If a "war band" has to be made of men, then anything that's not built into your def'n of "man" will be scrapped if it doesn't make a more lethal super-soldier. 2/3

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    2. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @CovfefeAnon @robbensinger

      You might be tempted to bite the bullet, imagining valiant soldiers according to your concept of martial virtue, but the actual result would be soulless killing machines that happen to be made out of flesh (and that, only because the problem statement ruled out the nanobots). 3/3

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    3. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @CovfefeAnon @robbensinger

      You might reply, "Nuh-uh, that wouldn't happen; evolution gave us souls", but that's only because (a) the environment of evolutionary adaptedness was more complicated (war was just one of many adaptive problems), and (b) evolution is a terrible engineer. 4/3

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    4. Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @robbensinger

      The actual tip of the spear is only a minor part of what makes an effective war band. The main problem with the near future mil tech scenarios you're describing is that they're *scalable* - better to be big (to produce more of them) and absorb *everything*

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    5. Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
      Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis @robbensinger

      Once a single society absorbs all the others then it is free to spin into madness as status maximizers short circuit all the evolved systems for keeping them out (and there's no threat of external system destruction to keep them under control).

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    6. Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
      Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis @robbensinger

      Curtis Yarvin had an interesting proposal on his substack that when an orbital power emerges it should allow unrestricted, constant pre-industrial warfare (no chemical explosives, no compressed gasses).

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    7. Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
      Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis @robbensinger

      Closed systems tend to break down as people prioritize rising up in the system over the good of the system as a whole - there needs to be some kind of check on that tendency.

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    8. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Oct 23
      Replying to @CovfefeAnon @robbensinger

      My guys (I'll say "guys" when talking to you, but we don't call ourselves that because we're fake and gay) are worried about a more radical problem. The entire paradigm of some values being more "fit", only applies to a world where evolution is the only optimization process. 1/3

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    9. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @CovfefeAnon @robbensinger

      Once you have consequentialist agents, values become much more arbitrary! In a Darwinian world with no lookahead, creatures have to intrinsically love (ancestral correlates of) war and reproduction or they'd go extinct. But once you have general intelligence 2/3

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    10. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @CovfefeAnon @robbensinger

      you can calculate the instrumentally best strategy (for competing with other agents in an open system, or just resource extraction if you've become a closed system) for whatever your values are, and just do that. This is unprecedented in the history of life 😮😰 3/3

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      Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
      Replying to @zackmdavis @robbensinger

      In a closed system the calculation is never really the barrier - the implementation is. The "best" strategy is simple - form a team that can cooperate without direct communication, block coordination and cooperation of anyone who could form a competing team.

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        2. Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
          Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis @robbensinger

          The "problem" is how to keep defectors (from the common good) from defecting (on your tacit conspiracy). I've become convinced that there could be a real problem with machine intelligence but it's unsolvable as long as every institution is run by an egregore that works that way.

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        3. Covfefe Anon‏ @CovfefeAnon Oct 23
          Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis @robbensinger

          The egreogore is incapable of acting in any way that doesn't go up the slope of adaptation - since it has no leader, it can't choose to go downward to hit a greater peak.

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