broke: society was built to stop violence woke: society was built to to do violence
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certain people take hobbes too seriously because they haven't read behemoth and think that he's saying you can be narcissistic and take shots at the people who help you most because it secures you a position of power ( bad one at that)
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Thrasymachus is wrong not because the world isn't violent but because violence is a team sport and to be successful at violence men need to be able to trust their team.
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Reason to build coalitions / communities capable of violence is that it discourages opportunistic violence against members by other stronger communities /coalitions.
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Men need to be able to trust their team in order to do anything. Men who don't have a team they can trust are afraid of everyday life.
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State of nature is mostly a thought experiment to demonstrate that society is organic
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There's no day zero. The men around you aren't random souls put there through Rawl's veil of ignorance, they're descended from the few men who conquered the area and the many local women they married - and so are you. They're your cousins.
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