How is libertarianism RW at all, i seriously don't get it
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Replying to @nathanael_gould
When the left used "economic redistribution" as their coordination point, libertarians made excellent arguments against their surface justification. The leftist arguments weren't sincere so libertarians split into those who opposed the left and who opposed redistribution.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @nathanael_gould
The implications of the libertarian counterarguments lead you pretty straightforwardly to rightism so a bunch followed them to their conclusions and wound up on the right. Others didn't like the end point and so worked to help the left skin-suit libertarians.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @nathanael_gould
I think economics was central to politics from at least the 30s through the 90s. Libertarians being economically right-wing meant they were right on what was central. Since then, cultural and racial disputes have taken precedence. Libertarians are often left on those issues.
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Replying to @SidPolitics @nathanael_gould
"Economics" was never *really* central to politics because all the left's "arguments" were transparently false and the libertarians were obviously correct. The left just manipulated procedural outcomes by pretending to be a neutral arbiter that was not convinced.
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Not all libertarians realized this.
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Is the timing a coincidence when the post 90's is when the drift towards Chinese manufacturing began? The Libertarians cucked themselves, all those years arguing against state control of the economy and they decided to let a foreign power run by communists produce for them.
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Replying to @CryptonMaximus @CovfefeAnon and
That is not to say China is a planned economy, in fact in many metrics you have more economic freedom, but the CCP ultimately call the shots and they have pictures of Karl Marx, Lenin and Mao in their offices.
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CCP owns the country like a sovereign. An intellectual failing of libertarians is not understanding the distinction between sovereign property and property under a sovereign. That said, manufacturing didn't exactly move to China - it was chased out of the US and allowed there.
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Replying to @kosmotelo @CryptonMaximus and
Unions were one of the main weapons because they fit so well into the structure - progressive clients that could be paid off with money from progressive enemies and provide sinecures for prog activists but environmental and miscellaneous regulations fit that same model, too.
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