Not sure if its surprising but I have zero problem with that framing. You can go off at the decisions people make as much as you want to but I draw the line at going at them personally. Its not a clear cut picture, I get it, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
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I do, but she herself is a genuine compression of these arguments, and in my experience the appropriate male response is coldness. If, G-d forbid, any of my daughters were to behave like she does, my only real recourse is coldness.
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If we turn the argument over, men are predisposed to charity towards women and children, and while I would not personally blame this woman for her behavior, the way to get less of it seems cruel and personal.
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The way to get less viral spread would be to lock everyone down with door bolts like in China, or w/ thieves to chop an arm off, but these look like cures which are worse than the sickness. I don't want to be part of a culture whose only way to enforce order is the above.
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This is precisely the opposite of what I've said, almost to the point of a bad faith strawman. I'm going to bow out of this now, but please consider that women and men have different modes on the margins, and that your response might be asymmetrical.
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The conclusion I drew is obviously a very extreme one and I don't insinuate that this is what you desire at all. However "the way to get less of it seems cruel and personal" has already been operating in Russia the last decade where beating your wife has gotten less stigmatized
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Amazing the level of certainty that you have about all marriages. "No woman should ever fear beatings from her husband" We're humble enough to accept that the person in a position to know the answer in an individual case isn't us.
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Marriages and family life where beating is expected is closer to the realm of beasts in the spiritual hierarchy. If you can't earn familial respect through any other means, you've already failed and on the way to walking on all fours like a деградант.
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Accepting that for the sake of argument so what? What are you going to do with those couples where it is necessary? You haven't elevated anyone, you've given a flawed person the knowledge that she has an 800 lb gorilla state on her side in domestic disputes.
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"where it is necessary?" Where would it be necessary to beat your wife or kids?
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It's "necessary" when the man with the responsibility for the outcome decides it's necessary. Liberalism completely divorces decision making authority from responsibility.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @LevPo and
The weight of this responsibility — to be able to discipline while exercising restraint, without becoming a brute — something that was integral to manhood of all cultures. Modern state deems it violence and forbids it, while not taking responsibility for the predictable results
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