I agree that the Zeitgeist is broken in many ways, but dismissing it as "lies" is too simplistic and high-level of a critique to be useful—a form of running away from the actual social-engineering problem of what makes a cultural "prior" functional. 2/3
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Replying to @zackmdavis @RokoMijicUK and
It's bad enough that my mainstream peeps are retarded about this stuff (as their Cathedral does not permit them the AI capability of Speech). If you do have Speechtech, use it on something interesting (like honest social science) rather than right-wing loyalty signaling! 3/3
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Replying to @zackmdavis @ciphergoth and
> the actual social-engineering problem of what makes a cultural "prior" functional OK, but look at it this way: (A) We don't know what code is best here. (B) OK, how about we insert this random line of code (A) No, let's not do that (B) But you don't know what's correct!
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Replying to @RokoMijic @zackmdavis and
Furthermore, nobody is actually testing this in a systematic way. This is doing your testing in prod on a societal level, on a mission-critical app with no backup.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @zackmdavis and
Under these circumstances, it makes sense to be conservative and do what already worked.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @zackmdavis and
I have no idea what the full solution space of human society looks likes. Really, how could I claim to know that? But I have enough experience with complex, opaque systems to know that "hey, let's just do this to it!" has a success rate of nearly 0.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
I'm with Roko on this one but I think Zack does have a kernel of a point. We *know* stories aren't just important to development - they're vital - they're how men learn what's expected in roles, which virtues are valued and how to express them in unexpected situations.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @RokoMijicUK and
Progressives are right to want to manipulate stories - where they're wrong is the content of their beliefs. Their beliefs make people miserable and don't work to run a society - they can only consume social capital that was built up before they tore it down.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @RokoMijicUK and
I'm not strictly conservative about tinkering with stories but I am still opposed to letting *progressives* tinker with them.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis and
The problem is most people who support such tinkering don't know the danger.
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They make more than one mistake - first they think it's simple - "society pressures men to desire certain traits in women" [lol], their fix is incoherent - will men will desire all women equally? finally, their fix is anti-human - beauty is good and they hate it.
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