I undid my retweet of this and deleted a reply I posted, because it's unclear what this is even a screenshot of. Maybe Google is doing something fishy and maybe not, but I want to know what we're looking at before we draw any conclusions.
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In my reading, "factual" here seems to mean "as the world is now", but "fair representation" seems to include aspirations to different representation balance than the world has now. And that's a coherent distinction.
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Yeah, apart from the provenance issues it's not clear to me that this is super sus. Lying to people would be bad, but showing a different ratio in representation than reality seems pretty normal.
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Replying to @ciphergoth @renormalized and
It would be great if anyone were trying to model the actual causality/feedback-loops. Since stereotypes shape behavior (they have to, to some quantitative extent—no point in a prior if it's not being used in your decision theory), you can change Society by changing media, but 1/2
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Replying to @zackmdavis @ciphergoth and
to the extent that stereotypes reflect "inflexible" behavior, changing media is just confusing. (Giving people a bad prior just makes their decisions worse, even if a good self-fulfilling-prophecy prior would have helped, if there were self-fulfilling prophecies to be had.) 2/2
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Replying to @zackmdavis @ciphergoth and
Imagine if you asked a search engine to show you pictures of people who played the lottery and it only showed you winners Bad prior = lie
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
But the in the lottery case, we know that changing the media representation doesn't change the fixed odds of the lottery ball machine, whereas Society/culture/media actually have a lot of complicated feedback loops, game theory, &c.
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Replying to @zackmdavis @ciphergoth and
Maybe if more people play lotteries, there will be more competition and the odds will get better. Eventually most lotteries will be perfectly fair with an EV of exactly 0. All we need to do is fight against negative stereotypes of gambling until this utopia is achieved.
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Replying to @RokoMijic @RokoMijicUK and
I mean, maybe! It's an empirical question! (How does the particular lottery mechanism actually work, in the real world?) You can't answer empirical questions with clichéd political humor! (Although you might have more detailed arguments that don't fit in a Tweet.)
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Replying to @zackmdavis @ciphergoth and
There's always the "empirical question" possibility of any particular insane lie actually being good. Lies are guilty until proven innocent for very good reasons. cc:
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Lies are guilty until proven innocent and progressive lies doubly so because those are *new* lies. Maybe the new lies are chosen for pro-social reasons but more likely the opposite since progressive induced failure is always and everywhere a reason for more progressivism.
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Replying to @CovfefeAnon @zackmdavis and
> Lies are guilty until proven innocent and progressive lies doubly so because those are *new* lies. Yes, there are older systems of prosocial deception that have been filtered through time as
@nntaleb would say. Though even in those cases, that filtering is not perfect.0 replies 0 retweets 2 likesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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